I have one comment to make. You need a better title/background screen. Winshell for Usgard uses background pics and it has a really good "Window" title/background pics. It also has many more pics that you can choose from and make.

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WINDOWS 2000
Problems Addressed

Yes I understand that many of you think new shell are not needed and Aurora , Byonic and ASM are good. I support you 100% on that. Thats why I was not sure to tell the public about it just make it and send it out and see what people think. Many people have just found my web page before it Sent the program public and sent me tons of emails about beta testing and helping. I understand most of you don't total under stand what I can do and I don't blam you for that because I would not trust my self If I did not even try. Many will Bitch and scream about the shell at first but Like every one Iam not perfect!! So their will be bugs. But when I say AWS the is something new I created. It warns you when your battery are getting low and when to change your back up battery. Which in most cases is very use full. I have it to detect programs for those who thought I should do so. I just thought you should guess that was in it already. And if anyone wants to try and thing to stop me from coming out with this program GOOD LUCK. My computer can not be hacked due to the point it is loged on 24 7 to the net and has 4 different virus program running all the time. The line can not be broke or jamed due to other programs Loaded and running. And if you even try you will get a reply by me personal and a few of my freinds and you better not even try to trace me becasue It detects traces 30 sec. before logging off the will go back to normal bussiness.

I can be reached at a new address that is one of the two that follows but might be slow in replying

hacknin101@lycos.com
hacknin@lycos.com
hacknin@yahoo.com
hacknin101@yahoo.com

Their is also a web page!!

www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Foothills/5279/Windows2000.htm

Thank You For Your Time A Effort

HackNiN ;-)~
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If anyone remembers using Aurora when it first came out, you'll remember that it sucked dead goats. It took a minute to choose a program because the silly mouse pointer had to be positioned exactly. Icons are a waste of time. The kind of interface found in Rascall is, IMHO, the best possible for a TI calculator. Go ahead, make a clone of Rascall. From what I've heard from the author, all of the features that you mentioned will be in the next version of Rascall. Why the defensiveness about hacking? I doubt anyone thinks that a new bloated shell trying to copy of off what is already available is worth going through any trouble to stop from being released. Things like that tend to destroy themselves.

Who said Windows 2000 would have a mouse in the first place? I've heard you access stuff by pressing buttons like in Windows 95 which was in BASIC. Also, if Windows 2000 will have features that the new Rascall will have but Windows 2000 is coming out now while we still wait for the new Rascall, I say at least try Windows 2000 until Rascall 1.0 comes out. Maybe the interface and graphics for Windows 2000 will be better.

I have stoped production as of today due to the fact my part is done BUT anyother programmer that offered to hep me is not. When he is finished I will combin the stuff and send out the beta on the TI-org page a files page

HackNiN ;-)~

I think everyone should back off HackNin. If he wants to release a shell, let him do it. If you don't like it, then don't get it! Releasing a new shell isn't exactl a catastrophic event. If you like Rascall/Aurora/whatever, that's your opinion. Personally, I'm giving it a shot when it's released.

I agree. It's just a new shell. no one went ballistic about MicroShell or Byronic shell and they suck other than the fact that they take up very little memory. Rascall kicks ass so if we can have a shell that has a cool interface and all of the features of Rascall I say go ahead. What's wrong with a Rascall/Windows clone in the first place?!?! Just because you guys didn't think of it first. I say f*** you all and go ahead with the program HackNin.

Right on. give the kid a break. He feels like programming something. who cares if it is another shell. i think he is jsut now learning asm so this will help him to better come up with games. i know half of you criticizing him out there that know basic have tried to make some basic shell when you first learned it. most people have. so he is doing the same thing with asm. who cares what he copies. i personally like getting all sorts of stuff for the calculater. i dont' care how useful it is. ill put it on my calculater. if it sucks, then its the damndest thing, you press shift, 3,f2,f1,find the program and hit enter, and its gone. you got that? its not too hard. if you think its a bad idea, don't waste your time d/ling it.

Hmmm shells shells shells... complain complain complain... Let the programmer do what he wants, and everyone get it when its done if you want... Hell, What I want to see is my new multitasking one, but I doubt that will be a "big thing" to anyone.. I bet I will get the same reaction from everyone that Hacknin is now.. everyone does.. BUt I have to say, a programmer is like an artist, you get somoething in your head, and you create it..... I have been working since my 82 days on windows/Dos/Linux clones... I had a multitaking one on my 82 once.... No one even cared! why do they care so much about this? Let the man do his work, and find someopthing useful to do like hack, blow stuff up or get a life... what ever it is.. Let him program!
~You've stolen my litterbox~
RIch

Back of of HackNIN. you all need a life. if the shell sux, don't use it. and don't insult him if you can't do better. if you can, send your shell to me. else, get a life people.

passe comments like this on "backing off of him" are what perpetuate the flow of these pointless shells.

Passe comments like yours are what inhibit people from making what could be great shells.

does this person even know what 'passe' means?

Nope, I sure don't. I just thought it sounded cool.

Thats just sick!

I like bill's os the best anyways, Will win 2000 be able to emulate the zshell, and all the os's????? Oh by ht e ways if you read this Bill Nagel. Mario86 kicks butt!!!!

I like Bill's os the best anyways, Will win 2000 be able to emulate the zshell, and all the os's????? Oh by the way if you read this Bill Nagel. Mario86 kicks butt!!!!

Just wondering, but has anyone thought of making a real time chat program like AOL or anything else?

Yes, but what would be the point? If you are already right beside each other, why not just talk to each other?

Ok, I have started back on the shell due to 35 email over the time of 1 day. If my fellow programer that offered to help me does not have it finished with in the next week. I will finsih on my own. AND ALSO BILL NEGAL MAKES KICKK ASS Programs and Games I just fell I would like a shell that is made around what the people need. And make it more like Windows on the computer. I am thinking about adding a few more things like A clock up the only problem is I'am not sure how to have it keep time when the calculator is off. Any ideas email me!! Also I will add some thing that after say 3 min. it goes to low power and shuts down.

HackNiN
www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Foothills/5279/Windows2000.htm

Thankz

A couple of months ago I was in the process of creating a shell for the TI86 with features never before seen in previous TIx shells. The shell used a Windows CE type interface. There was no stupid mouse pointer. F1 activated the start menu. I included a clock and saved the time when powering down by blanking the screen and going to low power. The shell didn't use 8x8 sprite icons like Aurora. It used 6x6 sprites placed to the immediate left of the program name. This allowed a whole list of programs to be seen on the screen w/ their icons. The shell explorer could work with folders and indentify every TI variable. Each variable had its own unique icon that represented the variable type with support for asm files, help files, pictures, notes and more. For programs, If an icon wasn't provided, the shell would display an icon by the program like the one used for the .exe files in win95. The shell could read text files and display them on the screen in menu text and had the ability to edit them. You could move progs to different folders, and name the folders.
The shell had plans for an integrated linking program, so when you download a huge Basic program with tons of variables and sub-programs, the shell would place all the files associated with the paticular prog in one folder. Never again would you have to search through 96k and try to find out which variables a game used if you wanted to delete it. You simply delete the program folder and all its subprogs and vars are automatically deleted with it. I can go into more detail if you are interested and send you some screen shots of the prototype shell. I also tried to figure out how to save the shell in ROM so it would take up no memory. However I think TI would be ticked about this!

Do you think you could write a Windows 95 program that could send programs into the calculators ROM for more memory? If you reset the calaculator would your shell be deleted or is it a permanent part of the memory? That shell sounded cool but what happened to it? Why wasn't it ever posted?

Well, I would hope a programmer of all people would know this, but ROM stands for Read Only Memory. The Read Only part, like the name suggests, means you can only read from it, not write to it. No program in the world can write to ROM. To write to a ROM chip, you need special machines, like the kind TI uses to write the ROMs for their calculators. I'm afraid any code you write will take up space in the calculator's memory, and would be wiped out if the memory was reset.

I made a mistake, and you are exactly right. However there are, I believe, some places in RAM that aren't erased when the calc is reset. I think someone figured this out when they made a level with the Mario86 level editor, reset the Mem, and it was still there.

So what happened to this awesome shell you were making?

I have noticed this too with certain things... i guess it depends on where the "thing" is physically in the RAM
RIch

You know, we could all wait for the TI-89 to come out, which has Flash ROM. This would mean you can write to it. It'd be fantastic for cases when there is unused space in ROM, just like the whole 4Kb of Page 7 on the TI-82 and TI-83.

Yeah, or WE COULD SPEND 100 BUX ON A 3Dfx CHIP FOR A REAL COMPUTER!!! lol
(No offense, I think I use my calc. more then my PC anyeways.... (cuase I am in school more then at home) )
Rich