Survey posted 2001-12-08 16:49 by Magnus.

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Interesting survey...

I there have been some good games released in the past year...

I chose about the same. (2nd comment) I'm so happy about the 82!

I agree. Fewer good titles of fewer games. It's kinda sad. ticlac.org needs to set up their file thing on the front page again.

--Nate

i think first they have to add some new files... :)

hehe...

Look at all the new programs... Most of them are in basic. :P

--Nate

too bad :3(

w00t for Symbolic!

So which games were released two years ago? I can't really remember. And I don't think anybody else will, but i think that a lot of people will automatically vote that they are not better because of the 'feeling' going about that the calc comunity is 'dying' when it is not.

-Samuel

Two Years Ago:
That was when Doors was cool, we had Super Mario Quest, Street Fighter, BigDyna, Early versions of Phoenix, etc. I'd say that they had about the same quality games back then as now, but I think that we haven't produced as cool games as back then in the "good ol' times".
<sigh>oh well.

--red40gamma

Aye, but don't forget, ION was still the primary shell for the 83+. MirageOS had just made its debut. And that was when the TCPA's site was last updated:)

I hate MirageOS, it has crashed my calculator 2 times, deleting months of programing and work.

I used to have that problem. It stopped crashing after some adjustments.

What preferences/ settings? Save the whales? Mirage O' shit should simply not error. I have given my trust to that operating system one to many times. Every one says " oh, it opens my gamess" , or "oh, im safe with password protection" which I can break into in 30 sec. I will some day replace it.

You delete the appvar right? That's why there is a block memory menu option. Sure, there are other ways, but not without at least clearing the ram. And I believe I said before that MirageOS has never caused a problem on my calc. The only things that did that were the programs I was running out of it. Those programs did the same thing when run out of ION. So, don't blame Mirage or DS, blame yourself for downloading (or making) buggy programs. With your attitude and arrogance, you shouldn't even own a TI calc. Sell it and go buy some crap Casio you jackass.

Listen cocksucker, I had plaeny o ram, 3 real poular games, and no weird programs. The only reason I had the OS was to enable lowercase, and attempt to trust it onece more after it froze in the middle of absofuckenlutlky nothin. It is the worst felling to all of a sudden, see wird chars, then two sec later, bet a blank screen. THe peice o shit is not self explanitory to use. According to the SDK (software devel;opment kit), there are certian keys that naturally get pressed by the ordinary person. Mirage has the most fucked over key system I have ever used. I had to see how the other faggoits who had it used it for dumb funtions like save the whales.
And yes I program Flash

<sarcasm> yeah, taking batteries out is some really great hacking skills </sarcasm>. save the whales doesnt have anything to do with it, i just learned from what i did that made it crash. btw, enough swearing...... and theres plenty of programs out there for lowercase and such, why would you waste 32000 bytes of archive just for lowercase? and if you know how to program flash, why cant you make a program yourself? its not like its hard, all you have to do is set system flags and whatnot. mirageos is the best shell ive had for my calc. so ha

I agree. If you (Pascal) are *sooo* good at writing your own FLASH apps, a lowercase-on/lowercase-off program should not be challenging for you at all.

He's just another 'Hey, I can do basic! Worship me, I'm smarter than you!'

Don't misunderstand, I myself program in BASIC. But thats not where I get my self esteem from;)

It doent exatly go that way. I just had a little grudge with Mirage, but I think Ive surpased my anger now. I thank everyone (including you) for helping me nutralize my anger. Thanks, I will never forget you guys.

You, my friend, are retarted.
You already look like an idiot, so don't dig yourself a deeper grave.

OKAY LISTEN!

1) MirageOS has some issues, but overall it is much better than Ion
2) If you just want lowercase get CalcSys-It has never crashed as far as I know
3) 'Months of programming!'-so your computer crashed too? didn't you back it up? If you're going to fool around with hex on your calc you should back it up often, and don't be too upset if you lose it

or, if you meant basic...

YOU ARE THE LARGEST IDIOT I HAVE EVER HEARD OF. YOU THINK YOU HAVE PROGRAMMING SKILLS, YET IN FACT YOU ARE A LOSER WITH A SKINNY PENIS (heavy weights :)). MAYBE YOU SHOULD SERIOUSLY RECONSIDER YOUR OPINION ABOUT MIRAGE, SINCE YOU HAPPEN TO HAVE NO FORMER KNOWLEDGE OF TI'S. COMING ON THIS SITE AND ATTEMPTING TO BRAG ABOUT YOUR "CALC SKILLS" DOES NOT IMPRESS US. YOU SUCK AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE SITE AGREE WITH BIGDOG AND I.

I am sorry. Do not take anything personally that I say. I just have some opinions that I wanted people to know. I guess this is the result. However, I hope we wil all become friends, and have a professional debate in the future.
-Again, I apologise

I had formor knowledge, two years. I just never participated in the forums.

You are truly a gentleman and a scholar. Thank you for taking the critisicm so maturely.

good points, BDG.

Yes; you are so right

>>>I will some day replace it.<<<

<sarcasm>

I'm sure, I'm sure. Just remember to put it here in the archives, I'd be interested in seeing it.

</sarcasm>

Yea dip shit I bet you didnt know that the primary coding was all done by one guy. He was probably jacking off when he was making it, or watching a nature show.(save the whales)
I know flash, and I will be proud to put My os on TI calc. What is detached solutions even mean?

You must be REALLY out of it and into yourself.

man, you really hate MirageOS. maybe youve noticed that no one has agreed with you on what you said, that usually says something. how about you get off your ass, stop dissing the best shell out there for the ti-83 plus AND its programmers who do a hell of a lot better job then youll ever do, and do as you say and make your own damn shell.

new poll: who thinks we should ban pascal miller along with his swearing and stupid ideas/thoughts? had to vent.....

I vote against it. I do not believe in banning people only because they don't think like I do, even if I find them offensive.

I wasnt really that serious. notice the "had to vent" part

Olle's right, but at least comments can be deleted.......STAFF WHERE ARE YOU?

you guys take this way too seriously! I'm sure old Pascal could do just fine with his knowledge. I think it is funny how everyone on these boards is a hypocrite. I'm not siting specific people, because I too am guilty of it at times. Anyway I say if people want to swear let em swear, doesn't hurt me a bit. What's in a word? A conglomeration of syllables meaningless to the untrained ear. Sometimes a cuss word is the only word that carries the connotation that one is looking for to express themselves. So don't tell people not to swear, it might make you look ignoratnt and judgemental.

I myself believe (I've only just joined today but I've read this entire message string) that MirageOS is a great tool for anybody with a TI-83 Graphing Calculator; and it isn't just its allowing lowercase letters, but also its ability to run ION games... and the "icons" used arn't bad either.

>>>Yea dip shit<<<
<vent>
You don't know who I am. All you can find out about me is from the things that I've put in my profile, and what I post on this site.. You have no idea what kind of person I am. Therefore, until you meet me face to face, your comment about me being a dipshit means nothing.
</vent>

Who gives a damn if the coding was all done by one guy. That has *what* to do with how well the program runs? Anyway, the coding was done by TWO people: Dan Englender and Jason Kovacs.

Detached Solutions, in case you didn't know are probably the only Programming group devoted to developing FLASH applications.

I would be very interested in seeing your FLASH OS/Shell for the 83+. Please remember to submit it to TICalc.org's archives when you are finished making it.

The "save the whales" thing in MirageOS is probably a little humor the two programmers threw in there. There is nothing wrong with that. That does not make MirageOS "gay".

As for you problem with MirageOS, I'm sure the programmers would appriciate it if you could email them giving a full description of your problem.

Actually, I did. I sent them an email describing my problem. Instead of actually talking to me or giving a suggestion, they gave me an automated reply. I felt spit apon. I had the OS on my calc to see why so many people had it. It actually is not that bad. But I can't help busts of rage that pop out every once and a while.

I bet you were rude. If you said anything at all like that you've said on the boards I'm suprised they didn't flame you. And you'dve deserved it too.

Do you know how much work goes into even the simplest Asm program? Let me tell you something Mr. Basic-you can go off and make your fancy text RPGs and slow Pong, but the real coding is in assembly

We write software for you inappreciateve %#$&()%@#$*)'s for FREE, we write 'Not responsible' in the readme

You could show a little RESPECT to them, I don't see you making complex programs for people!!!!!!
</VENT>

Yes, you are right. ASM is hard to code. I program it. I should have given DS more respect. But It still had no reason to crash. It was configured properly, I had 3 poular games. And the OS crashed when I was programind an ordinary basic game. Weird characters appeared on the screen, then the calc shut of. I have no proof, but I dont know what else would do that except for Mirage. I had no other asm progs on my calc except for Physics, a professional flash application. Mirage is actually pretty cool thinking about it. Except for the fact that this has unfortunatly happen twice. I owe everyone an apology.

ACTUALLY, I HAD A GOOD IDEA! EVERYONE WHO I HAVE PISSED OFF, I WILL GIVE A FREE NETWORK HUB. AS A TOKEN OF MY GRATITUDE!

I wouldn't want one for free. I'm not saying it's a bad product, I just think that you shouldn't give us one because we got into an arguement. I understand how frustating it would be to have everyone against you, when mirage did in fact crash. regardless, your language is quite offensive. i do believe that you know how to program ASM and most of the things you said. but anyways, i wouldnt want a free one

Thank you for understanding. Man you wouldnt want to see me 5 sec after mirage crashed. Whoo, that was bad, and I guess what remaind of my anger is here on these message boards. Now that Ive got my head out of my !@3?=#$, I have realized that mirage is better than ION, there fore must be the best shell.

I agree entirely.

Wow, that's a lot of "Re:"s.

Shutup Fag.

Actually, I did. I sent them an email describing my problem. Instead of actually talking to me or giving a suggestion, they gave me an automated reply. I felt spit apon. I had the OS on my calc to see why so many people had it. It actually is not that bad. But I can't help busts of rage that pop out every once and a while.
I also fell I have been a fool at times in this dicussion. And I hope you forgive me. Especially Big red. However I also fell I have been violated, and spit apon once again after explaining the problem again. So, now, after this little speech, which you may find it fun to ridicule me, I would apperciate if we could all restart, and have mature discussion.
thanks

fine with me

save the whales actually does something, but what it does is disclosed. DS wants people to figure it out. its like codes in a game

wow, egotistic

Sucker, I've *never* had it crash mine, *just the PROGRAMS I was running*. And um... weren't you smart enough to keep your programs backed up on your computer? Maybe you don't have a Graph-Link cable. In that case, are you on this site to find schematics on how to build one? Cause I can't think of another reason for you to be on this site.

Sorry, but MirageOS is the best thing to ever hit the TI-83 Plus.

Listen anus lips, anyone has a right to go to this site. I go here to see news, download programs, and argue with shit heads like yourself. Mirage crashed when I was programing a basic game. Weird chars appeared, then all of a sudden, MEM cleared. That has happened twice, deleting my stuff. If I had mirrage on my calculator, It would probably crash more often than I could back up my files. And I had 3 popular error free games. So it should not of crashed. You are like the fuckers at my school. You probably dont even program. So fuck you, fuck you good. And never question my right to this site.

Don't program eh? I got some news for you, I won the TI dev. contest for under 16 z80.

Hmm... why would you need a full size APP to enable lowercase? If you're so good at programming, why couldn't you make a program that was very tiny to do it? It seriously would take less than two minutes for a beginner. And why would you need to run a basic program from Mirage? Can't you do it from the TI-OS? Really, it's just common sense to test programs on an emulator under realistic conditions.

And I wasn't questioning your right to this site, just your reasons for coming here and owning a TI calc. Your current attitude reflects arrogance and stupidity.

Your use of swear words is amusing, it shows lack of the vocabulary needed to convey your message in appropriate, but just as powerful language. I think very little of anyone who happens to use swearing at others as a method to make themselves feel big. I will no longer waste my time arguing with a person of inferior intellect such as yourself.

Oh, and I highly doubt you could compare to Dan Englender.

I agree, but for the public I must say: 3 prizes, 2 winners;P

Word to Justin! Pascal you SUCK and you know it! Shut up and leave the higher intellect on this site alone!

shutup fag, your website stinks and you have boobs, CLub one!!!

Maybe you should shut up. All you do is come on to the site and make stupid comments about other people that have absolutely othing to do with you. You obviously know nothing about calculator programming and need to shut up. By the way, this isnt a website review page. So one quick thought, go play in traffic.

shit boobs fart

Your exceedingly small vocabluary is bugging me now...

I highly doubt that Mirage crashed while programming BASIC.

I would bet, though, that something your ran on your calculator caused it to crash.

It was an ordinary basic program. Im sorry for being an ass joel.

no hard feelings...

Is big red still replying to the forums. I find his last remark very amusing.I feel bad to make him so pissed off. Though, dont you think his english was fancy? That is, compared to his other forums?

No, actually I think that your English is far worse than any expressed on this site. There was no need to make a comment like that to other poeple with a higher intellegence than yours.

I do agree that I was a ass hole, a big ass hole. But I did not know that the way we speek is a measure of our knowledge. I could be acting like a thug, but I am smart. Or I could be talking smart, but am a thug. You are smart. sorry again

No, the way we speak is not a measure of knowledge. When I am angry, my mind kicks into overdrive. When I want to chew someone out, my language gets fancy for some reason. Not an intended act, it just happens.

But Pascal, I appreciate your new kindness and accept all of your apologies, whether or not they were directed to me. Your offer of friendship is also accepted. Hopefully, we can put this crap behind us.

No, the way we speak is not a measure of knowledge. When I am angry, my mind kicks into overdrive. When I want to chew someone out, my language gets fancy for some reason. Not an intended act, it just happens.

But Pascal, I appreciate your new kindness and accept all of your apologies, whether or not they were directed to me. Occasional calc problems happen to us all, and are very angering sometimes. Your offer of friendship is also accepted. Hopefully, we can put this crap behind us.

*I found a way this could happen*
If you run an archived basic program with "allow write back in archived programs" disabled, it *could* crash, and delete the program that was run.

OMG-U just finish apologizing to everyone and then u go and flame again. I think u need some serious anger management therapy. U say u come here just to yell at people? How lame or u. U need to get a life.

You need to get something straight. In case you didn't notice, there is a date and time thingy in the bottom right corner of each comment box. The comment you replied to, and every other flame comment from Pascal came before his apologetic comments. Get it right and pay attention.

ever thought of backuping into a group-file?
If you don´t back-up, don´t complain.
It was just a question of time till RAM clears.

THe main problem is that there is nothing more to program! There are at least 5 versions of every type of program. I think networking would be a new demension to the ti 8x sieres. Think about it, a little hub, you plug 3 calcs together and load Counterstrike or GT3, and you can play togerther. or you could do multitasking, multiprocessing, or multifile transfer.
PS-Im working on it

And there are usually 50 or more of each kind of program on PCs, yet most people don't consider programming for them to be 'dead'. Just because something has been done before is no reason not to try to do it again in a different/better way. There are plenty of possiblities to do that left for just about every category of calculator program.

And there are certainly fewer than five complete 3D first-person shooters for the calculators.

That is just my point, you see, we cnat make new inovative ideas, because justabout everything you can do with a calcultor has been done. Shit, I mean, even one guy made napster for TI83+. People have not thought beond the box of one calc. Networking will kick ass some day.

What about the external PS/2 keyboard driver deally (way to go Radicalsoft!)? Isn't that outside the calc? And TI already released a networking thing, I believe it's called TI Navigator. Go sell your calc and go away.

Listen, The Ti navigator costs about 2000 dollars or more. It is uncapible of mulit tasking or multiprocessing. It can only give programs to a bunch of calcs at once. My hub, which has been made, costa 5 bucks, can do do more than the navigator, and you can have lotos of people having them. Do yo think you would everown ur own navigator? no, but with my hub, everyone can. Im mass prducing them. Ill send a pic to u through email.
Lets make a deal. Never tell me to sell my calc, and Ill be a hell of lot nicer.

I agree, networking would be awsome. And I am a fan of Counter-Strike, and if you got that to work on abunch of networked calcs, that would |20X0|2Z J00|2 |30X0|2Z (a little 1337 is always cool)!!! And also if youd dint mind could you email the pics of the hub?

And BigRedDog, to put it bluntly, SHUT UP!

Yes, actually, Im going to get some pics soon. Il send them to you. Man the hubs look awsome. Which color would you like out of black, red, yellow,green, silver...

It's obvious you dont want to start a direct argument with Big Dog, so maybe you should not open YOUR mouth!

XLC12RF is right, you DON'T want to start a direct argument with me. I am a firm user, believer, and defender of MirageOS and other Detached Solutions productions. At the time my comment was made about the networking thing, I was very angry at Pascal, who, in turn was angry at MirageOS. I have already made my point, however, that I will no longer waste my time arguing with idiots. So, if you want to respond to this, I will not give you the satisfaction of a reply, unless yours is dignified.

BTW... Mass production? You must have a lot of electronics laying around b/c there are a lot of active electronics in a hub. You have to have one of the following... Hardware to do routing and identification of packets, or you can use software. Either way it will be a long grueling process to work out any bug in bad software or hardware, but the best of wishes for you,a nd that a hub my be produced. <thought> What about wireless multicalc communication like a radio that could join 3 calcs with the capabilities of a hub? </thought>

Actually, it is much simpler than you would think. There is a whole nifty system of calculators not knowing certian pats of information, and knowing other peices. using this bizzar I know this, you know that, and I cannot get info from this calculator because it knows it not, so I will get it from this one... That stuff actally works. Its not that easy but it actally workis. I have yet to improve. My hub will cost about 5 bucks and I have materials

> That is just my point, you see

So you really did mean to say that the unoriginality on calculators is 1/10 as bad as on computers, and that there is no point trying to come up with any improvement to an existing idea? So the TI-83, TI-83 Plus, TI-86, TI-89, TI-92 Plus, etc. shouldn't have been made since they were no longer new innovative ideas because there was already a calculator (the TI-81) out there?

If so, that would be the first time I really got the point of someone else's post here.

My friend, notice that most games that are masses produced do not do good. For instane Diablo II , it didnot do as good as Diablo I, and half life, did better than unreal tournament (before unreal tournament, there was simple unreal )
Im just saying we have almost done the max with 8mhz and a few K o ram.

The TI-83 Plus has an 8mHz processor, but it runs at 6mHz. And who needs more ram on that calc? That's what MirageOS or ION is for.

I don't use an 83 and have very limited knowledge of it... but don't the programs (regular assembly anyway) have to be sent to the ram first, and then sent to the rom?
Then wouldn't more ram be needed to send larger programs?

With the old graph-link and TI-Connect, there is a way to send files directly to ROM, bypassing the RAM. Also, if you archive each file as you load it, you never have the RAM exhausted, unless the file is *very* large, in which case the first option is the best, and really always is.

Sheesh, calm down and stop swearing!!!!

ass shit damn

Wow, that was funny.

A man in the US patent office resigned in the 1800's because 'there was nothing left to invent'

Now if that is true that is pretty cool.

But isn't it a bit strange as he invented a whole new excuse for a career move.

It is true. If I remember correctly, I think he was a head person and recommended that the patent office be closed because he thought there was nothing left to invent.

One of my little pet peeves is that I cannot find a single Zelda RPG for 89 that is more than a demo. I think that there is still a lot of prog topics available for later calculators.

Go to web sites other than ticalc.org. Visit http://www.macross2000.org and look at Xeontech.

I don't think the problem is that we have run out of ideas for games. I think we just need to be more inventive and imaginative. Some games are the same old types(Nibbles, SMB, etc) but some are really cool games. I appalude the people who have creative ideas too, or people who show talent in basic coding.(my language of choice) I personally didn't want to make the same old game either so my next game (shameless plug alert) will be of a new type of RPG, much like Shadowgate of NES fame, called Detention on the 89. I have faith in the TI community to be original.

What is that thing TI came out with that does exactly what you're talking about? Hmm... I think it's called TI-Navigator.

For the second time there is a big difference betweeen the TI navigator, and my hub.

1.My hub costs 5 dollars, Navigator costs 2000
2.My hub can do multiprocessing, multitasking, and multi file transfer, ti hub can only send programs. The calculators can not comunicate together.
3. Everyone can afford and carry arond one of my hubs, for cool multiplayer games or a big program. No one can afford a TI navigator, and carry it to scool every day.

Big Difference:
your hub doesnt exist.

Actually My hub does exist. It sounds too good to be true but I have already finished the prototype, and Im workink on the production model.

Pascal> if youre still alive here, i would be interested to see your hub. your website isnt working, btw

GET REALISTIC. Those games arent going to happen. These devices feature 96x64 B/W displays.

However, there are plenty of games screaming to get made. There is still alot of creativity in the air, although you might not notice it from this website, that only shows new releases of compilers or new versions of already established games. There are many good programmers who are at work right now.

Gey scale too, along with possible sound
I aggree, we can not make computer graphics on acalc, but we can go far.

There are many, many games that have never been made in calculator-form. You just have to look past all the currently popular commercial games, which are mostly clones of two or three really _good_ games (e.g. Doom, Dune 2, etc). But I digress...

No one that I'm aware of has ever tried to do an adventure-type game in the style of Monkey Island. Or hell, someone could try and port the original Zork :) The 86 /still/ doesn't have a decent version of Asteroids... I could go on and on.

Check out my website.. I'm busy with the adventure of the adventures: "Leisure suit Larry, in the land of the lounge lizzards" !!! AND I'm releasing a multi-playing action game that can be run on Mirage-OS and ION. Hopefuly these new games satisfy gamers demands and bring back the program quality recently discussed.

PS I'm still looking for people who want to join the crew

Also, no one has made any real programs with the TICT's raycasting engine. I guess the real problem is that it is only a calculator. There is only so much time that can be spent programming it. Like it or not, we live in a money driven society. Even if you wanted to, no one could afford to put enough time into a calc game.

Also, people are talking about computer game. Remember those games are made by large teams that work on them full time, and still may take years to finish.

If you want to create something really special you have four options:
1- Use what is already availibe, and build on it.
2- Have a great new idea, not one thats alredy done
3- Team up! And I mean big teams, not just one or two people (while I agree that one or two people can do great things 6 or 7 can do greater things!) Also, real teams help. Try to have teams of people that can meet with each other and explain what they are doing.(especially you highschool and college types)
4- go into seclusion and spent the next 5 years of your life without food or money.

I think 4 is obviusly the option most of you will choose, so, I'll see you in 5 years!

I and Barrett Anderson are currently working on two 89 games which hopefully will be the hits when released. These games are Super Alien Strike and Star Craft. There's already a demo of Super Alien Strike to try. Visit our sites for more info, we hope that some people in TI community would like to contribute to our games as well to make them even better.

Hey, my real-time strategy game, Command to Conquer 2, is almost done. All it needs is some more levels. Some say, it is pretty cool.

Go to www.calcware.org to find it. It should be somewhere in the news there.

That's cool. Thanks for update, because of no updates I thought you dropped the projects. That's good to see some finished RTS games on calcs. I also hope someone can make Dune:Battle for Arrakis (from Sega Genesis) on 89. Thx Ty.

I plan on putting it on ticalc once they get their archives back in order.

can there be a TI-92+ version of CTC 2.2