Survey idea by me :)

TASM, ZDS 3.68 anyone?
What would be good is a 83+ specific compiler with templates to start programming easily and setup routines quickly (FYI: not an oncalc compiler ;-))
Perhaps a good keyhook tutorial? ;oP

*slightly off topic*
A student at my school bought an 84+ new, in it's packaging but once turned on there was no OS installed. Is it customary for TI to distribute calculators with no operating systems these days?
To top it off it's the students first calc and all the school computer have TIConnect1.5. For some reason that's not compatible with 84+s. ;-P

TI-Connect 1.5 *is* compatible with the 84+'s and the 89T... Something is probably just not configured properly, or it's not detecting the device since it doesn't have a proper OS.

Are you certain? This works on an 83+, not sure about an 84:
Take out one battery, let the calc sit 30 seconds, hold the CLEAR key while putting the battery back in, continue holding CLEAR, count to five, press ON while still holding CLEAR, release both keys. This will reset the calc to its original basecode (if installed). If not installed, I suggest you call TI and yell at them, but chances are that they'll tell you to do the same thing.

Yes, and, just a FYI, but, the sequence to tell the TI to reload the os is remove one battery+hold down DEL+ press on. it may take a few tries, but, just link it to another 84+ at this point, and send the OS from the link menu. It worked for me after I had a rather bad crash awhile back...

There's a DEL key on the 83? Guess I haven't used on in a while....

I'm certain, however, that the CLEAR-ON method works. I've made a cumulative $10 (10 x $1) "fixing" peer's calculators after they corrupted the operating system.

Clear just prevents it from scanning the archive. It has nothing to do with the OS or basecode.

There is a similar key combination to force it to accept a new OS. I think it's [Apps] instead of [Clear].

By the way, if anybody knows the OS force code for the 89 I would appreciate the knowledge. I had to use it once but now forget it.

I thought it was [STAT] on the 84+s. If I remember correctly, [DEL] is for an I/O transfer, [STAT] is for a USB transfer.

That happened to me once. It doesn't read it, but just move the os to it using graph link. it will not be detected, but it will still transfer.

I HAVE ZDS! But it doesn't really help with C programming...

I program c on computer. i have no need for a c converter.

C is opsolete. C++ is much better and easier.

That would be something, object-oriented programming on the z80 calcs.

C is not "opsolete" (obsolete). The whole Linux kernel is written in C. Just because C++ has OO doesn't mean that C sucks. You can write anything using OO properties that you can without using OO properties.

Now, a quote from the Kernel FAQ:

- Why don't we rewrite the Linux kernel in C++?
The fact is, C++ compilers are not trustworthy. They were even worse in 1992, but some fundamental facts haven't changed:

* the whole C++ exception handling thing is fundamentally broken. It's _especially_ broken for kernels.
* any compiler or language that likes to hide things like memory allocations behind your back just isn't a good choice for a kernel.
* you can write object-oriented code (useful for filesystems etc) in C, _without_ the cr*p that is C++.

C can do anything C++ can.

Many languages are based off of C, and not C++:

1. Perl (which is probably what this site runs on, seeing the .cgi extensions)
2. PHP (which is probably used on more sites than ever now)
3. Python (which made programs like BitTorrent)
4. Ruby

C also runs faster than C++, so why would it be obsolete if it ran faster:

(link is in the url)

as you can clearly see there, the only thing that beats C, is Digital D.

Another reason why C is good, is that the code (usually) is smaller and runs faster. That's why TIGCC (as of 2006) use C, and not C++.

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Huh.. this'll all get deleted anyways...

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