"Please return your TI-83+ to us. It is defective and will not work correctly. It will allow you to copy FLASH applications from other TIs. We apologize for the harm this causes you." --TI

Sorry, what's wrong with that?

Looks like TI is recalling everthing but the kitchen sink!

Hmm...this would be a good oppoptunity for a fake news article: "TI-Plumbing Flash App Recalled"

Hopefully.... Waiting for any fake news to cheer up us downed programmers.

Wow, this majorly sux. I have a TI-83+ but luckily I'm unaffected.

Looks like TI is in hot water right now in terms of recalls. On the other hand, it's refreshing to see that Ticalc is still keeping us informed about TI without any hard feelings (of course, why wouldn't they?, considering that their whole site is dedicated to TI products :P).

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Wow... That smiley has two mouths!

Or a mouth/tongue and a fat chin:)

I hate to flame y'all 83/plus/SE people, but what's the big idea? Why would TI want to make people pay for "Aps" when they should have built the programs into the calc. in the first place? I beleive the Processor in the calculators have the power to access up to 4 megabytes of memory, so what's the point of having these things you have to buy? What y'all should do is go buy an 86 or better. You shouldn't buy a calculator with a small screen that has spread-out pixels and a non-tilted screen. That's not to mention the god-awful menu system, the lack of lowercase letters, and the pre-tokenized program editor. Sorry, but it just doesn't surprise me that TI would mess up the ID numbers of a bad calc that they tried to improve 2 times, jacking up the price for a confused peice of equipment.

Some people by the 83+/SE becase they don't need an 86 and want Flash. Flash applications allows individuals to customize their calc and upgrade the OS. Those were my primary reasons for choosing an 83 over the 86. I know 86 has more functions built in but I don't feel I need them becasue I could just rely on my 89 to do the complicated stuff. Also, all calcs except 89/92/92+ uses the z80 processor. That processor could only address 64kb of memory with special hardware that switches the memory chips. That is why flash applications on 83+/SE are stored in slots of 16K unlike the flash applications of the 89/92+ which only take up the space that is required to hold all data (MC68000 chip can address 16mb w/o special hardware). The 86s have 96K of memory accessible at once through the use of special hardware. Unfortuately, there is a cost and that is the speed in which a processor can access variables from memory. The screen of the 86 is not significantly larger than the 83s. They only have 32 more columns but no more rows. Tilted screens don't make a difference either, especially with the high contrast lcds in the new calcs. It is my opinion that flash makes up for the drawbacks of getting and 83 instead of an 86 (assuming one has an 89 or 92+).

The 83+/SE do have lowercase. It is an option on almost all apps. Also, the 83+/SE screen has a shaper screen than all previous models, as well as Flash ROM.
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OK, I'm not an expert on the hardware of the calc., but I was talking about the RAM/ROM ports. You can write a byte to 2 different ports to swap in a total of 32KB. What I meant was that you could have a total of 256 pages of memory to swap in. Since each page is 16k, I was saying that if TI wanted to, they could make 16k*256 bytes of memory for a z-80 calc. But it really doesn't matter, I'll take my 86 over any 83, 83+, or 83+SE.

Yeah, but theoretically TI could use more than an 8-bit address for the ROM/RAM page. If you really wanted to, you could have as much memory as you wanted to map into the 64K address space.

Look man the ti-83plus isn't that crappy. You may think that it doesn't have lower case, but it does if you download a system like mirageos for it. Plus the TI-83plus and the SE edition have something those calcs like the 92+,92,89,86,85,83,82,and 73 don't have: Ability to Archive programs to make room for more programs in the RAM. So let it be this.......Don't tell me that it sucks, because some of its features your damn calc has mine has, or doesn't have at all. Plus the ability to group files in its atchives.

Thats all I have to say......so won't you try on for your self?

um... hate to break it to you, but the ti-89 and 92plus have the archive ability also... and i'm sure some of the other calcs do as well (73?)... in fact, the only reason i have an A+ instead of an A- in my pre-calc class is cus of the 89's power to do ANY-FREEKING-THING you can think of. (i'm not saying the 83p (SE) is bad, just saying that 89 is VERY useful itself) the 89's OS is MUCH better than other calc's.

Endless and pointless debate.

The TI 83+/SE and the TI 89/92+ are simply not designed for the same purpose. If you use a TI 89 in 4th grade in high school, this is exaggerated. Same if you were using a TI 83+ in last year of engineer school, that's not the right calc for that job.

TI 83+/SE are designed for high school students mostly, and any specialized student (sciences, engineering...) should use a more powerful calc such as the TI 89.

So you see there are two categories for TIs, and TI 83+/SE don't belong to the same category as TI 89/92+. That's why this debate is pointless.