Hi everyone im back, everything has gone exactly to plan except for 1 minor flaw, thanks to my henchman Mustafa complications arouse in the unfreezing process. Look WHAT U DID TO MR. BIGGLEWORTS!!!
some of u i know some im meeting for the first time.

wtf are you talking about???

Dr. Evil, Take it easy. (off topic???)

ya it's pretty off topic... but at least they're ill-tempered mutated sea bass. - engage the unnecessarily slow dipping mechanism.

(>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
go to my []D [] []V[] []D [] []\[] site

silence, i will not tolerate your insolince.
Ok kill them both.

and you too

There's nothing more pathetic then an aging hipster.

or Evil Dead 89 (BWAHAHA!)

I'm asking the same question as Beta.

What the heck are you talking about?!?!?!?!

He is making a pointless and off topic reference to the character "Dr. Evil" from the movie "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me."

um... no... it was a reference from Austin Powers#1 (man of mystery?) well it wasn't number 2 it was number 1

Aah, I see. I never saw that movie.

Hmm Very Interesting.....



EVERYONE GOTO MY WEBSITE SO I CAN GET HITS!!!

IT HAS REALLY REALLY REALLY FUNNY YO MAMA CAPS!!!

`~Jd~`

Gosh, every time I make a post, you say

"Hmm Very Interesting.....



EVERYONE GOTO MY WEBSITE SO I CAN GET HITS!!!

IT HAS REALLY REALLY REALLY FUNNY YO MAMA CAPS!!!

`~Jd~`
"

It's rather annoying, and off-topic, but I don't care about the off-topic part, it's just annoying

who does number 2 work for??????

You show that turd who's boss!

jeez guys. i take a small sabatical from life and when i come back everyone had gone from talking about calc games to talking about movies. do i have the right web site?

anyway...

get in my belly!

onefastfiveoh

who cares about linux???

probably first relevant comment

I care about Linux. It is a good OS for servers and it is free. It also has many desktop applications. In fact, I am using Mozilla 0.9.3 running on Linux-Mandrake 8.0 to post this comment.

Also, the ticalc.org website uses Linux on its servers.

Because Linux is FREE (as in both speech and beer). And it's useful. I find XFree86 with Blackbox and some Gnome Terminals to be a great environment for developing code. Sure, Windows is great for some things (like StarCraft), but for many types of programming, you can't beat the standard UNIX tools.

I think it's great that people are working on TI tools for Linux. Keep up the good work!

Btw, what about FreeBSD? :)

Sorry, couldn't resist...

*BSD is dying.

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when last month IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Gee, that's pretty funny. Considering that Apple is shipping the most widespread consumer rollout of FreeBSD (in the form of the Darwin layer of OS X) ever, you'd think that FreeBSD would be alive and well. But, as always, media naysayers are SO much more attractive than the ones that stand behind their platform..

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

how can bsd die when it the orginal unix. as long as there is unix then there is bsd.

BSD is certainly NOT the original UNIX. UNIX was developed by and was a trademark of AT&T. It was sold off to at least one other company, and is currently trademarked by X/OPEN. BSD stands for Berkeley Stable Distribution. It was released by them under the BSD license. The different BSD OS's such as FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD are all based on the BSD release from Berkeley. I'm sure a quick search on Google would turn up the complete history and dates. "Unix Network Programming" has a good section on this and other related topics, such as POSIX. I do not have this book with me here at work, so I won't attempt to quote any release numbers or dates. BSD was the first operating system to have a working TCP/IP implemenation, hence the name BSD sockets.

Heh, way to copy the Slashdot troll. Or are YOU the Slashdot troll? :)

While those numbers are wrong, BSD is falling behind Linux. By the FreeBSD 5.0 is shipped, Linux 2.6 will have comparable features, if it doesn't before then. FreeBSD has always been an excellent platform running servers, but with the latest Linux kernels, I can't see a compelling reason to use one or the other.

I'm responsible for about a third of that one... The original was posted to Geekizoid, I rewrote the middle part to make it flow better. The only Dying troll I posted was the "*BSD Trolls Are Dying" one, which got a +3...

I'm also guilty of designing the martian and the tools to get around the lameness filter... Yet I still have six accounts at or beyond the cap... :)

I'm amazed people still fall for it. Two bites here, both completely moronic -- either they're idiots or don't read slashdot, but either way they should know better...

There are also some great apps under Linux:
- StarOffice: a complete suite compatible with Office2000
- some games: Quake3, StarCraft (thru Wine), UnrealTournament
- some drawing tools: the GiMP which is as powerful as PhotoShop but free !
- and a lot of other apps which are continuously growing and improving

Linux rocks !

Quite a few people actually.

Go to the ticalc.org community accounts section and select 'Linux' next to Primary Platform. Click browse.

Of course, many people who don't use Linux as their primary platform would still consider this relevant news.

Is it an evil Linux.

You say this. I can say the same thing of Winblows !
I have been using Linux for 3 years and it crashes 2 times !
I have crashed Windows so many times that I can not count...

Try to burn a CD while playing Quake3 under Windows on a PC233MHz/Voodoo2 machine. Impossible but Linux can do easily !

Linux is free, fast, stable, evolving. The must !

I like Windows, I've never used Linux, but don't dis Windows. If you use it properly, it won't crash too often.

> If you use it properly, it won't crash too often.

As in...you _don't_ use it?

Haha... yes I use it and haven't had problems with it.

Either you don't use it very much, or you are just very lucky. It is full of bugs.

here's the thing: linux doesn't crash. maybe xwindows crashes, maybe gnome or kde crashes, and you're left with a locked up screen, but deep down, the kernel is still pounding away. the solution to that, is of course not to use xwindows. you can do everything on the command line anyway.

by the way, the reason people want to see tigcc for linux is because it was inevitable. it's a direct port of tigcc, for linus's sake.

Okay, I don't think it is fair for those who use Lunix to say Windows is "bad" if they haven't used Windows, and the same for Windows people (like me). We shouldn't say Lunix sucks if we haven't used it to know.

I can't even burn a cd in windoze 2k. In linux I can play Unreal Tournement(a winblows program) while burning a cd, listening to MP3s and serving my webpage, e-mail, etc.

The ONLY thing about winblows that is superior is that more games are written for it(though wineX is pretty promising).

And don't go yapping about my opinion not being fair. I've used winblows from version 1.0 up. I can't believe all the ways in which linux is superior. I am even looking into OpenBSD which is even more secure than linux(so I've heard).

Long live Tux(the linux penguin).

Why? Doesn't it have Evil Dead?

I do. Linux is free fast and powerful

hey i have a question.... DOESN'T WINDOWS COME *FREE* WHEN YOU BUY A PC??? don't use *free* to say linux is better cus windows is free too.

nope, windows does NOT come free with your computer. it is included as part of the purchase price. You just don't notice it because most manufactures don't give an alternative option to winddoz.

Incredibly offtopic for the ticalc.org board, but it should be said:

Linux is free in two senses, usually noted as both "Speech" and "Beer". Linux is free beer because it is freely available, and it is free speech because the source code is open and you are free to make and distribute modifications. Linux is just a small part of what is collectively known as Free (or Open Source) Software. See www.gnu.org for philosophy and details. Other packages of greater interest are GNU (the typical UNIX tools) and KDE (a powerful graphical desktop environment like Windows / MacOS, see www.kde.org). These run on Linux and are just as free. There are many more free programs too. Not all programs for Linux are free like this, but most are.

Microsoft Windows is not "Free" in either sense, and as another reply to your post states: you pay for Windows when you buy a new PC. I'd guess that you've probably paid for Windows multiple times. I've bought Windows 98 twice. Once for my desktop and once for my laptop (the OS came preinstalled). It is illegal to make copies.

Linux/KDE, on the other hand, I can install on as many systems as I wish. There are no restrictions. I can modify the source code (and I have, I added in a prompt for popup windows to the KDE web browser Konqueror, which is now part of the official distribution).

Free-ness is just one good aspect of Linux, KDE, and other open source software. Stability is another good part. Since these programs are made mostly by interested developers (and not corporate assignmentments with deadlines), the programs are generally more stable than what you may find on Windows. When your code is on stage, you want it to look good.

If you have further doubts about Linux, let me tell you that I run it exclusively these days. I also prefer KDE to any version of Windows. It may not be an OS for everybody, but it is extremely popular among developers and enthusiastic users. It's the OS for me, and in my opinion it can only get better.

-Justin

And it is going to get better, very soon here. A new kernel has been released (2.4 I think) and along with it are many upgrades which make it (hardware)compatable with many more systems. Certain companies have already released their versions, and red hat will be releasing theirs sometime very soon. There is just so much happening with this next version, it looks VERY promissing.

Note: I tried Linux, but it didn't work with my video card :-(

The current kernel as of a few weeks ago is 2.4.9. It is very fast and supports a wide range of hardware. If your video card is not supported (which I would seriously doubt), then it is likely an issue with XFree86, not Linux. XFree86 is the X server that provides the underlying GUI for Linux. The latest release is XFree86 4.1.0, and it has support for a wide range of video cards. Some cards such as NVidia cards require some tweaking and may require a special kernel module and/or a binary driver from NVidia, but they do work. And, in many cases they work better under Linux. I know several people who have consistently better frame rates under Linux than under Windows in Quake III.

If you are stuck on hardware and don't have any Linux friends to turn to, I suggest trying #debian (if you run Debian) or #linux on irc.openprojects.net.

Hey Justin, I have my TI-83 hooked up as a terminal on ttyS0 using your Telnet83 program. Would you know how to make it so that I can use TILP without having the serial terminal only active in runlevels 2&3? Basically I want it so that if nobody is logged in on ttyS0, then the serial line would be available to any program.

Also, if the authors are reading this, TILP doesn't let me leave my home directory, even as root. This is a problem because all my TI stuff is on my Windows 98 partition.

I am the TiLP's developer. You can not leave your HOME directory, even as root, for security reasons.
Nethertheless, you can change this behaviour at compilation time by doing a 'configure --enable-exit-homedir' when you are going to lauch the configure script before doing the usual 'make; make install'. Type './configure --help' for more informations.

Else, if you do not want compile again the package, you can create a link from your HOME dir to your Windows partition. In fact, there are some security holes in TiLP which allow to leave your HOME dir through a symlink.
But, they have been fixed thanks to the TiLEM's (TI83 Linux Emulator) developer (http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tilem) and will be available on the next release.

I tried using a symlink before, but that didn't work. Also, root should be able to leave the home directory by default. Programs shouldn't put any restrictions like that on root.

I installed from rpm, so I guess this means I have to get the source.

WIth all due respect,
I can't imagine what the se security reasons might be,
since the program is AFAIK mainly used on desktop linux systems,
and by people who only find it annoying to be limited to their home directory.

Please enlighten me..

BTW,
I have problems compiling tilp, since it requires the lib-calc/cable libraries, which I seem to be unable to properly put in their place, (maybe because I don't have the right ones... might be an idea to include them in the tilp package)

No, it doesn't. The OEM that sold you your computer purchased a Windows license, and passed the cost down to you through the purchase price. And, if you are like many of my friends or me, then you build computers yourself from parts, and never purchase Windows.

Unfortunately, if you purchase a laptop, you are usually stuck with paying for Windows, which sucks if you are going to immediately reinstall it with Linux. I have seen articles on Slashdot relating to getting a refund if you are not using Windows, but I doubt this is possible with all manufacturers, and in any case it is likely a large hassle.

That is why my next laptop will more than likely be an iBook :) Apple makes nice hardware and a nice OS. It is unfortunate that Sony did not purchase BeOS to use on their laptops as was rumored. Now that would have been sweet. I'd definitely buy a Vaio if it came with BeOS.

plenty of people care about linux.

it is:

1. free
2. stable
3. fast
4. well supported
5. better than windows
6. it's evolving... windows 9x hasnt really improved over the past couple of years... the only major differences between ME and 98 is some new icons, new bootup screen, and a different save box... still just as unstable...

ok... windows has NEVER crashed on me.. i'm sure that if you knew how to take care of your computer it would never crash on you either. the reason windows has not changed much is because it is already perfect! what is wrong with windows??? what feature would you want on windows that it already doesnt have? (please don't say open source cus it is already perfect and you don't need to add anything to it)

You're funny. Windows is perfect, oh man. Some people don't have many problems with windows, but they're lucky. Windows crashes for me every once in a while. I have WinME and it crashes for me a TON more than Win98 ever did, but then again that was on a completely different machine. Remember, just because it works fine on your computer does not mean that it does on everyone elses.

And don't say it's because I don't take care of my computer that it crashes. I'm sure I know a lot more about computers than you do, especially the care of them.

You must be very proud of yourself.

"ok... windows has never crashed on me"

hahaha. whatever

"because it is allready perfect"

i really hope you are being sarcastic.

"what feature would you want on windows that it already doesnt have?"

feature is the wrong word. um, for a start, it could be more stable. you couldnt imrove windows by adding more features. you could imrove it by making it faster. and making it exploit ALL of your processor.

and yes, it could be open source. that would be a major improvement. think of how stable it would be if non microsoft people modified it.

windows is fine for most people. but linux is better...

BTW, i do take care of my computer. the only reason i dont have linux running as my only OS is because RedHat 7.0 does not like my GF2 MX 32mb card at all.

So don't use RedHat :) Almost all of the experienced Linux users I know prefer Debian, because it doesn't try to do everything for you, has a much better package management system, is easier to maintain, has a much better collection of packages, and isn't controlled by a corporation. Debian is the only distribution made the way Linux is made: by the people who use it.

I don't mean to start a distribution war, but I get really sick of hearing people "linux didn't work" or "red hat didn't work", when it's a problem specific to a (in my opinion) poorly put together distribution. I think that equating Linux as Red Hat hurts Linux a lot more than it helps.

If you want a Debian based distribution that is easy to install, try Progeny (www.progeny.com). You will be much happier with Debian. "apt-get install" instead of messing around with a mess of RPM's.

<<I don't mean to start a distribution war, but I get really sick of hearing people "linux didn't work" or "red hat didn't work", when it's a problem specific to a (in my opinion) poorly put together distribution. I think that equating Linux as Red Hat hurts Linux a lot more than it helps.>>

Yes, I think RedHat Linux is rather unstable too.

i never had a prob with it when i ran it on my older comp. thnx tho, i should try debian

<<um, for a start, it could be more stable. you couldnt imrove windows by adding more features. you could imrove it by making it faster. and making it exploit ALL of your processor.>>

Windows 2000 set a speed record with IBM's database service, if I remember correctly. And it is based on NT, so it is very stable. Linux, which I also use everyday, has been crashing ever since I can remember (at least once a week). Many times, I lost quite a bit of work, but now I take the precaution of saving my stuff every ten minutes or so. Maybe it's Crashscape, because my computer seems significantly more stable when I'm not running Crashscape.

yeah, i know. i was refering to windows 9x/me. Windows 2000 uses a different type of partition (if i am not mistaken), but i have never used it.

as for the redhat unstability, i have only used 2 distros (RH and Mandrake). I prefer RH alot better (even though it has been a pain in the ass w/ my highly incompatible graphics board) I should try debian.

as for your linux crashing every 10 minutes,
you have a problem.

still, servers running linux run more stabely (sp?) than NT.

I seriously doubt that "Linux" is crashing every 10 minutes. If it is, then you are likely running a very old kernel that doesn't support your hardware, or you have some very obscure hardware, or your hardware is faulty.

There are many different levels of failure that you should be aware of. If your computer is just locking up, or you are having kernel panicks, then it is almost certainly a hardware problem. It will likely lock up under any OS that you run on the system. I had a problem with my Win2k workstation recently. I added a second hard drive, and without thinking, put it in the drive bay directly above the other hard drive. Being a normal consumer grade case, it didn't have proper ventilation and cooling. Win2k, which ran fine before (weeks on end without ever crashing), would lock up at least daily, usually after I'd gone home for the evening. After I realized the problem, I moved the drive so there was an empty bay between the two, and it has worked fine ever since.

If XFree86 is locking up on you, then it is possible that there is a bug in the X server, or in the driver for your video card. Or, you may have configured something incorrectly. Try upgrading to the latest XFree86 4.1.0, and see if your problem goes away. Also, if you have an i810 or i815 or another video chipset that is using the AGPGART device, upgrade your kernel to the latest version.

It is possible that a specific X application such as Netscape is appearing to lock up the system by eating up all the CPU time. It is also sometimes possible for an application to lock up the mouse and the keyboard, although the system itself is functioning fine. If this happens, your only recourse is to login remotely, via telnet/SSH/serial, and kill the offending process(es). I've never seen any problems with Netscape under Linux, but your mileage may vary.

I've been switching between Galeon (uses Mozilla's renderer), Konquerer and Opera lately. Konquerer 2.2 is really nice, and is getting very close in quality to IE, though there are still a few issues with it that keep me from using it exclusively. I really like the Galeon interface (the tabs are awesome), and it's fast and renders everything about as well as Konquerer. The crash recovery is very nice (if IE that and tabs, it would be perfect). And on a friend's suggestion, I tried out Opera. Whoa. These guys know how to make a browser. The banner ad at the top is a little annoying (goes away if you buy it), but overall the browser is pretty incredible. I've only used it a few times since I installed it, but from what I've seen so far, it appears to be the best browser for Linux. If I used Linux full time, I'd probably buy Opera.

<<I seriously doubt that "Linux" is crashing every 10 minutes.>>

No, I was saying that I save my work every ten minutes. Linux crashes approximately once per week. I'll try Opera. Thanks for the suggestion.

What are you running or doing that is causing "Linux" to crash once a week? I have machines that I develop on daily that have uptime of several months. The only time I have ever had a Linux machine crash is when attempting to use svgalib on unsupported hardware (i810).

This whole linux vs. windoze thing is off-topic, but you asked for some diffinitive reasons why linux is better than windoze, and you won't accept open-source, free, and others.

1.Linux has over 100 possible command shells. Windoze has 1.
2.any linux shell will allow you to use long filenames. You never have to type "cd progr~1"
3.the command prompt(well bash at least) has autocomplete(hit tab and it tries to finish for you)
4.You can use your linux system from anywhere. I left my linux server running while I went away for the summer. I could still log in and type commands, run programs, etc
5.It has NEVER crashed on me. And you don't need to wait forever to kill a process like in win2k.
6.Not only is most software free, it's small! The average linux version of a multiplatform program is 1/10 the size of the windoze version
7.It's multi-user. I mean real multi-user, not like winnt. Several people can use the system at once.
8.Groups of linux systems can pool there processor power.
9.It can completely emulaate a pc and run windoze inside of it.
10.You can burn cds while playing games.
11.Modern distributions come with all the common drivers on the cd. Mandrake 8 autodetected everything on my system. EVEN MY TV!!!
12.If your system brakes and you know someone good with linux, they can fix your problem for you!
13.EEmail viruses(like sircam and luv bug) don't work on linux.
14.Writing a linux virus is next to impossible because the average user doesn't have unuf access to damage the system.
15.linux can simulate a windoze network server.
16.linux doesn't rely on drive letters.
17.Users can even log in to x(the most common linux GUI) remotely. So that crummy 486 lying in your closet can user the power of your modern kick-ass linux box.
18.Linux will run on anything from a 386 up.
19.Linux can use hd space(called swap) as ram. My webserver with only 40 megs of ram can run up to 340 megs worth of software at once.
20. Two usercs can run the same program.
21.No AOL
22.Tux(the linux penguin) is cool.

That is why I use linux over windoze.

thankyou!

especially #21 =)

2. same with windows, it only does that ~ crap when opening files... and if you're smart you don't use the same first 10 letters in 2 filenames.
3. same with windows
4. same with windows - it's called a network - you can access any program or file from one
5. me either
6. with the size of drives today you don't have to worry about that
7. same with windows - it's called a network
8. whatever that means (who cares about processors with 1.8Gigs now)
9. same with windows (it's called cygwin)
10. same with windows... i think you're gay for thinking of that one.. it depends on processor speed and RAM
11. what the heck are you talking about??? if you buy a printer it will come with a driver
12. SAME WITH WINDOWS!!!
13. that's why you have to be smart and not open crap like that
14. ok cool ^^^^
15. cygwin
16. who gives a freeking crap??? drive letters are good
18. 386 huh? 386 whats?
19. ok.. who would want to use hd space as RAM??? that's why if you're smart.. you get enough RAM.
20. same with windows
21. you don't have to use aol.. don't just say stuff
22. wow...

not that i hate the people that think linux is better (in fact i'm sure the stuff i just said is wrong.. but that's what i understood the crap he just said was saying)... but honestly... if you're smart enough.. windows is better than linux

hmmm...heres what I like about w2K. You don't have to learn how to use it. You don't have to know all those weird computer terms. It runs lots of games. Linux doesn't have alot of games. IT doesn't have hundreds of versions of the same OS like linux does.
also about some of the things you said:
10. You can do that in windows. Its called multi tasking
11. Same as windows!
12. More people are good with windows than linux
13. Only stupid people get viruses
16. I like drive letters!
17. You can do that with windows too
20. I do that with windows
21. You don't have to have AOL. I have cable
22. I agree! Windows needs a cool mascot like that!

While I do agree that if you "take care of your computer" Windows doesn't crash a whole lot.

I build my own computers and dual boot Win98SE and Mandrake-Linux (or Linux-Mandrake...whatever). I think if you install your hardware properly and leave things alone, Windows does just fine. I haven't seen a BSOD in the longest time, but some programs (e.g. DiabloII) can lock your keyboard or video and force you to reboot your system. Extended uptime is a problem though - Win98 can't stay up for more than a few days.

I've never had to reboot Linux. I've shut it down to boot to 98 so I can play certain games, but the system has never become so unstable that I've had to reboot it. In fact, I run LRP on an older machine (p166, 48mb ram) and have never had to reboot it. It does DHCP/firewalling/ip masque/ip forwarding/dns caching/telnet for my home lan of 5 PC's (including the router itself) and has never been rebooted since I configured it. In fact, the only downtime that computer has seen was about 10 seconds worth when my power went out.

I like Windows for games as much as the next guy, but when it comes down to anything important (uptime, network security, development, stability, etc) Linux is far superior.