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News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Posted by Nick on 6 August 2000, 18:09 GMT

This doesn't have very much to do with the world of TI calculators, per se, but Hewlett-Packard, the good manufacturers of my CD-R drive and my scanner, have released a tinge of info on their new calculator-to-end-all-calculators, called the Xpander (also a fine song by DJ Sasha). Here's the info, which may or may not be true (grin):

  • a 32 bit, 133MHz RISC CPU
  • a 320x200 screen with 256 shades of gray
  • true sound for reading mp3's (mmmm... drool)
  • possibly a "futuristic look"

This looks fantastic. The news release is here, but it's in French. As always, one can use the Fish of Many Languages to read it. Yowza! Props to Alex Cooke for bringing this to my attention.

 


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Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Native

The fish of many languages won't translate from french to english for me-anybody else have this problem or does it just not like me?

     6 August 2000, 18:54 GMT

Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
alejandro wagmister  Account Info

Maybe you're not selecting the right translation. When you first arrive it's set to translate English to French. You'll have to change it to Translate French to English.

Holy mother would ya' look at that calculator. Sweeeet! I do have doubts too. Like the comments before me, this seems more like a palmpilot or nino rather than a simple calculator. But hey, if I find out it's allowed in schools, hey I'll buy it. But wait, we'd better have people programming for these things fast! It wouldn't have any games!

Alf

     6 August 2000, 18:59 GMT


Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
DWedit  Account Info
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try www.freetranslations.com

     6 August 2000, 19:01 GMT

Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
AuroraBoriales

Has anyone heard the rumor about the TI-96, although i doubt it's true, TI might come up with somehing to compete with this new calculator that beats almost every other calculator.

What would be better would be a color TFT or LCD display, instead of one that only shows gray, and for you music fanatics out there, I still think that a standard MP3 player is better.

Id rather spend my money on a laptop, because it is much better than this calc in many ways.

     6 August 2000, 19:12 GMT

Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Nick Disabato  Account Info
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I want an IBM microdrive hardwired into my calculator. I want the linkport to be a full-sized headphone jack. Gold plug. Big, DJ style.

I would pay the extra money. If TI (or even - God Help Us(TM) - HP) made it good enough, I would easily pay $350.

That's a *lot*, especially considering how stingy I normally am.

--BlueCalx

     6 August 2000, 19:28 GMT

Re: Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
monoman  Account Info
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What would be really great is if ti calcs can read off cdrom drives so we could store all our games on a cdrom and nothave to woryy about memory. Ofcourse it wouldprobably have to be a Minidisc player but still.

     6 August 2000, 20:37 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Nick Disabato  Account Info
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Too big and bulky for a calculator. Just buy a Discman.

--BlueCalx

     6 August 2000, 22:26 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Samir Ribic  Account Info
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TI anounced USB graphlink. Then we will not have hardware barrier for it. We "just" have to write software.

     6 August 2000, 23:04 GMT


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Nathan Walters  Account Info

Unless it's another one, the USB graphlink is only for MACS. And the Black cable is for Windows. Grey is for both

     7 August 2000, 01:18 GMT


Re: Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Killer2  Account Info
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I always thought it would be neat to have a CF-II slot in the back of my 89 (where the ViewScreen connector would be), but not many other people know what CompactFlash is. I think CF is an awesome standard, and it would be really (read: REALLY) cool if HP or TI's newest had a CF expansion slot.

-bK

     16 August 2000, 21:44 GMT

Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Tadd Nuznov  Account Info
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Color on a TI-calculator? Think about how complex the code would have to be. It would go slow (unless they had a fast processor) which would cost more money anyway.

     6 August 2000, 20:52 GMT

Re: Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Harper Maddox  Account Info
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Can we say "color gameboy"?

This device also happens to run on a Z80.

     7 August 2000, 01:31 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Eric Greening  Account Info
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Well, a modified version of a z80. But, will be soon obsolete with the GBA using an ARM7TDMI. But, it seems that Nintendo doesn't push there hardware as far as it can go. Take a look at http://www.gp32.com uses near the same hardware. Uses the same RISC processor but, don't recall the rest. I remember that you don't buy cartridges, you download the games off the internet (using a mobile phone?).

Glenn Murphy (A.K.A. - Eric Greening)

     7 August 2000, 02:41 GMT


Re: Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Samir Ribic  Account Info
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Casio 9850 already has colors. In fact, 16 colors were available even on 2 MHz old 8 bit computers.

     7 August 2000, 10:40 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
EvanMath

My 1 Mhz Commodore 64 (that's 64K of memory, not 64 bits :)) that's over 15 years old has 16 colors.

     7 August 2000, 16:11 GMT

Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
EvanMath
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Yeah! How about adding a Canon Printer, Pentium 150, 32 MB RAM, 2.1 GB hard drive, Active Matrix color screen, 10X CD-ROM, floppy drive, and 56K modem, for only 575$! Click on the link.
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

     7 August 2000, 22:56 GMT


Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Dan Roberts  Account Info

Colour and MP3s would be great, but for a calculator meant to do sums in exams, what would be the point? Having MP3 playing ability would instantly get it banned from exams (and all other classes), and colour would just increase the battery consumption and wouldn't be that useful anyway on a small screen.

You've got to think about what a calculator is used for. Games on the PC are way better than on the calculator (funny me saying that, being a games programmer...), and I really should be doing work in classes instead of playing games on my calculator.

     9 November 2000, 13:57 GMT

Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
alex cooke  Account Info

anyone having trouble getting the picture to load?
I can't get it

     6 August 2000, 20:19 GMT

The HPBoy or the HPGear
SpadeIndustries  Account Info

What about data storage? OS? Languages? Links/Carts?

     6 August 2000, 20:27 GMT

Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
monoman  Account Info
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That calcs processor is only 33Mhz behind my computer. I would never buy it. It seems like such a waste of money. Why don't you just buy a laptop and run Mathematica on it? If teachers had a hard time letting students use a TI-92, then there's no way teachers are gonna let students use this. Sure, it's fascinating to think of a calc with that much power but who really needs it? It's just gonna end up as a crutch and when SAT's come around, and they can't use their calc (computer?) most of those kids are gonna do terrible.

     6 August 2000, 20:49 GMT

Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Clem  Account Info
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I got these infos directly from Jean-Yves Avenard (the HP engineer who made the HP49G and who is working on the Xpander) several weeks ago...
- 32-bit RISC processor (133Mhz Hitashi), downclocked to 66Mhz for power consumption.
- 320x200 tactile screen with 256-level grayscale
- mem: 16Mb RAM, 8Mb FLASH rom (as far as I remember)
- os: WinCE (and *maybe* Linux PocketPC)
- programming: C++ and Java
- cost: about $400
- USA release: september 2000 (Europe: later)
This machine is a "learning device", when released it won't be near as good as the HP49G for math. But it's a "hardware platform", and many software "extensions" will be available (hence the name "Xpander" I guess), and you will be able to use this machine as a calculator (a port of MuPAD is even planned for symbolic manipulation), PDA, MP3 player, Internet browser, and much more...
Now if something is wrong in that, don't blame me, I'm just writing what I have understood from him :p

     6 August 2000, 22:20 GMT

Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
Rosbif22

$400? WinCE? ::sigh:: And it sounded so good before...

     7 August 2000, 07:51 GMT


Re: Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
EvanMath

WinCE? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

     7 August 2000, 16:14 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
calcfreak901  Account Info
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What's wrong with wince? It runs great on my Sega Dreamcast....
But then again, it does take forever for some things to start (10 seconds on a 128-bit 200MHz chip and incredibly fast GD-ROM reader?!?!). Maybe microsloth and Sega didn't bum the windows ce/directx suite as much as the could/should have.

     11 August 2000, 03:22 GMT


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MicroLITH Account Info

The Hitachi SH4 is still only a 32bit chip, and the only thing that's blazingly fast about it is the FPU, which stomps on Intel.

I don't like WinCE because they charge $200+ for the SDK (which requires you buy MSVC++ and then another charge for the WinCE compilers *puke*).

That and the dreamcast tools come with a massive pricetag, and are only sold to *professional* game developers (royalties you know, it's how sega makes their money).

     11 August 2000, 23:37 GMT

Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
cajunguy  Account Info
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Not that I have anything against WinCE (I own a HPC equipped with WinCE 1.0), but I feel Linux would be the better choice for this *cough* calculator. WinCE is nice, but like any Microsoft product, writing programs for it is very costly (WinCE Dev Kit = $200.00 or more, plus you need Visual C++). While we are on the subject of SDKs, HP has released (Beta) versions of the SDKs for their calcs, and you can download them for free. TI on the other hand, you must pay. $99.00 for three signings for the TI-83+. I have heard that the TI-89 version will be more expensive (since I own a TI-89, this would be the one that would affect me the most). I am seriously considdering buying the SDK (I know, I am crazy). Perhaps the TI community could crack the headers and such, and make out own SDK. Anyone up for it?

cajunman4life@juno.com

     7 August 2000, 17:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
AuroraBoriales

i'm not trying to encourage anything here, but DON'T BUY IT, CRACK IT!!! unless you are some really paranoid, or insanely honest person.

     8 August 2000, 04:44 GMT

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cajunguy  Account Info
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Good plan. Unfortunately, to crack it someone needs to own it. That and my Hex editor has gone ballistic on me. Other than that, no problem.

     9 August 2000, 01:58 GMT


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calcfreak901  Account Info
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We have a few (10?) people download it outside the US, preferably in a secure location in a war-torn/anarchic country so there is no way to prosecute for copyright infringement, they each decompile/reverse engineer it, rebuild it from scratch, and release it as an open-source program, similar to decss, with likely repercussions of a similar nature. Be sure to print the source on both t-shirts and books, so its covered by freedom of the press.

     11 August 2000, 03:48 GMT


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nicolas mr  Account Info
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hey, i am more of a mathematician than of a programmer and stuff like that as you will see in what i have to tell you. i think that (as a calculator) TI89 (or 92+, but i have the 89) is much much better than HP49 and probably the best calcualtor in the world right now. TI89 does not take as much time as the HP49 to do calculations and you all know, the format of the expressions is nicer etc etc..
89 plus a certain knowledge of mathematics (special integral, sums, and stuff like that) is as effective as Mathematica, Derive, etc,...
I must admit that as far as pure and "hard" mathematics are concerned calculators are no longer useful, they won´t make your life easier.

     23 January 2002, 23:22 GMT


Re: Re: News on Hewlett-Packard's Xpander
evan  Account Info

WinCE? *wince*

     8 August 2000, 21:53 GMT

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