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Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Posted by Nick on 31 December 1999, 00:05 GMT

Many of you have seen the posts on assembly-89 concerning h4X0r and his development - or the lack thereof - of Gooey and GIDE. Lots of you emailed or IM'ed me and h4X0r with your concerns. Since I just got home less than a half-hour ago, I'm going to post as much info as I can on the matter. Here is the IRC log of me talking with h4X0r at about 4:30 PM CDT. It also contains a forwarded email of the posts by h4X0r and Scott Dial of the TCPA that started the whole mess. Props to Rob Smith for taking his time to forward this to me. More information will come soon. Please read all of the IRC log after reading the email; it helps to answer even more questions, though I still doubt their validity.

Update (Nick): Alright. Two friends of mine (who choose to remain anonymous) have given me proof beyond a reasonable doubt that this is a total hoax. I have posted a rudimentary copy of GIDE. The readme reads as follows: "Do not distribute this, it still has a few bugs and code thats not mine :) --h4x0r" Also note that this program bears a striking resemblance to SynEdit. Another person has made some annotations to h4X0r's screenshot and given them to me; I have posted them here. Once again, I apologize to everyone for the confusion and the problems that have occurred over the past few days.

 


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     31 December 1999, 07:12 GMT

Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
WashBasin  Account Info

hey i would just like to tell everyone to SHUT UP! no offense, but you're making too big of a deal out of this. even if gooey 89 and GIDE are fake...so what....h4x0r doesnt get paid to do this....he's not working for anyone...why do you have to make such a big deal out of him being late on it....or if not late...not making it at all...these programmers are working for free....respect and appreciate them for who they are....and don't augment (is that the right word to use?) their shortcomings. =)

     31 December 1999, 08:24 GMT


Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Douglas Newgard Account Info

So you don't think it's a problem for someone to trick hundreds of people just for fun?

     31 December 1999, 09:24 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
rob smith  Account Info
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or make people think they have been tricked when they havn't?

     31 December 1999, 16:10 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Scott Dial
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touche...

     31 December 1999, 20:47 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Chris Perkins  Account Info
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Yeah but we have no idea if it is or not.sure there is some evedince that supports that it is.But also there is evidence that the source that gave them the file just downloaded synedit and sent it with a note so that we think that it is a fake.Hey he was the one who converted those games for the ams 2.0x.He also said he has the rom hex dump.So if that is true it is entirely possible that this is not a hoax or it is a hoax to get rid of h4x0r 's name so I hope that it is not a hoax.Oh and it would be easy to make that site and say that they were h4x0r.

     31 December 1999, 18:50 GMT

Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
akromix
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ok now this makes me really mad. Ticalc deleted an -on-topic-message- and it had nothing bad in it. What is wrong with you guys? can't you take a little vulgarity every now and then expecially when it involves a selfish little prick named h4x0r? I mean cmon, that comment didn't offend anyone and you deleted it, probably every comment I make is deleted and I bet this one will be too. FU*K it then. ohh yeah to make this even more on topic I would have to say that h4x0r is a lame j00bee, man that was loads 'o aol fun.

     31 December 1999, 10:20 GMT

Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Arie Benichou  Account Info

The rom 2.00 was so called a "total hoax" by almost the whole TI-community.But it was not.
When something is so much desired like the rom 2.00 or the free h4X0r'SDK, rumors are running, because "it is so much beatiful to be true".

     31 December 1999, 11:40 GMT

Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Greg Schenzel  Account Info

Is it just me, or does this download give an "illegal operation" error to everyone?

     31 December 1999, 12:02 GMT

Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
O4saken1  Account Info

WELL DUUUUUH

     31 December 1999, 15:51 GMT


Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
rob smith  Account Info
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someone, NOT h4x0r, renamed synedit.exe to gide.exe and posted it and made the txtfile. install synedit and copy gide into the dir and run it once.

     31 December 1999, 16:11 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Andrew Magness  Account Info
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>someone, NOT h4x0r, renamed synedit.exe to gide.exe and posted it and made the txtfile. install synedit and copy gide into the dir and run it once.


Why can't you see this for what it is? I hoax? I think everyone else sees it but you! If this wasn't a hoax, don't you think that h4x0r would be here defending himself?

I know you're going to say that I drove him off... But if it was me... And I had a program (real one mind you) that was as good as h4x0r claimed it to be then I would release it just to show everyone that I wasn't throwing a pile of BS at 'em.... h4x0rs not being here just proves this point better than words...

     31 December 1999, 18:08 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Chris Perkins  Account Info
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yeah but remember that this is the holidays and he could be on vacation and not know about this.It may of not been him.He may have left after he first maid the statement.I still belive THIS IS NOT A HOAX.

     31 December 1999, 18:54 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Mannyyy  Account Info
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I doubt it... what about his webpage and emails? No one else could have deleted his page or sent emails under his name, but him.

     31 December 1999, 22:00 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
rob smith  Account Info
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i;m sure there are some people here that can hack a webpage.

     31 December 1999, 22:17 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
O4saken1  Account Info

if your H0x4r, post your confession under h0x4r's name

     31 December 1999, 19:05 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Andrew Magness  Account Info
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Hah! me? H4x0r? yah right...

     31 December 1999, 19:35 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Matt Landry  Account Info
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Just to let you know, h4XOr sent me an email with this zipped up GIDE. (I believe that I was the first one to get it.) I can send you the email if you want... Besides, he had to download the program before he could send it to me!
- Matthew

     31 December 1999, 19:44 GMT

Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
O4saken1  Account Info

ok, I can't find it again, but someone on this post board stated that even though the ti89 is superior in every way, and that the ti86 game programmers put more heart into their work. It was stated that the ti86 games are funner and better.
Sadly I(a ti89 owner) must agree with that person.
The 86 has a better pacman, the 83 has a better tetris (on 2 player mode you can view the other persons height of blocks) and although I'm not a programer and pretty much don't know squat about programming the simplest of things, I don't feel I'm getting the "superior" gaming experience. By GOD!! we don't even have a "poker" game that shows actual cards (not text) and links with another ti89 yet!!!!!
Personally, I don't think doorsos is that bad yet. True I hate messing with all the libs but if people would create worthy games, it'll all be worth it.

WE COULD DO BETTER!

true i actually feel guilty about not being able to do a single thing about it, and i'm not even an amature when it comes to computer programing. and i'm not saying i could do better,

BUT OTHERS CAN!
I'M SICK OF HAVING A SUPERIOR CALCULATOR AND NOT HAVEING THE SUPERIOR GAMES. TI83 HAS GALAXIAN WHERE AS WE HAVE PHEONIX, B U T IT'S NOT GRAYSCALE AND HAS NO BACKGROUND. SADLY IT'S ONLY S L I G H T L Y BETTER WHEN IT SHOULD BE A THOUSAND TIMES BETTER.

HOPE SOMEONE OUT THERE SEE'S THIS AS ADVICE AND NOT INSULT.

04SAKEN1

     31 December 1999, 16:10 GMT

Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
O4saken1  Account Info

and to top it all off, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CHESS PROGRAM YET
(if someone makes one, please make it "linkable")

     31 December 1999, 16:24 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Matt Landry  Account Info
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You want a chess program that is just 2p with move validity or do you want something with a nice AI? IF so, have you ever thought of how difficult Chess AI is?
- Matthew

     31 December 1999, 18:31 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
O4saken1  Account Info

are you saying you could design a chess game? because if you can that would be GREAT.
and if it's only 2p with move validity can you make it so your color (black or white) is always on your side?(I've seen some bad work from chess designers b4)
and also, i'm not very computer literate but i assume AI is computer vs. human.
I realize designing an AI is difficult, but those damn 83's and 86's have chess, and it's insulting that a more sophisticated and superior calculator can be missing such a great and common game

This is exactly what I was talking about too. TI 86 game designers actually put their heart into what they do, but I haven't seen anyone do that for the 89, except maybe for the Super Mario, Sonic, Zelda, and Pokemon games coming out. I meant phoenix is great, but they didn't put heart into it, it appears they simple improved space invadors and said "that's good enough".
We need some designers who make programs they can be proud of.

     31 December 1999, 19:17 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Matt Landry  Account Info
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>are you saying you could design a chess game? because >if you can that would be GREAT.

Heh, no.

>and if it's only 2p with move validity can you make >it so your color (black or white) is always on your
>side?(I've seen some bad work from chess designers >b4)

It seems to me that it is pointless to have a chess game without any AI. How many times do you have someone to play a calc game with you?

>and also, i'm not very computer literate but i assume >AI is computer vs. human.

Yes.

>I realize designing an AI is difficult, but those >damn 83's and 86's have chess, and it's insulting

Neither the 83 nor the 86 version has AI. And the 83 version doesnt even have move validity. If you just want a chess game that doesnt have any move validity, I.E. all you do is move pieces whereever you want, then sure, that is not hard to make.

>that a more sophisticated and superior calculator can >be missing such a great and common game

Give it time. Ever heard of Anglo-Saxon superiority?

>This is exactly what I was talking about too. TI 86 >game designers actually put their heart into what t>hey do, but I haven't seen anyone do that for the >89, except maybe for the Super Mario, Sonic, Zelda, >and Pokemon games coming out. I meant phoenix is

You dont think someone put their heart into sf2t, despite the fact that it is not always stable?

>great, but they didn't put heart into it, it appears >they simple improved space invadors and said "that's >good enough".

Have you ever thought about how you could code Phoenix?

>We need some designers who make programs they can be >proud of.

You should give people some time. For most people it takes a game or two to pick up the language well enough so that they can make a game that is up to your standards.

- Matthew

P.S. Do you know asm?

     31 December 1999, 19:37 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
O4saken1  Account Info

What's the story behind the Anglo-Saxon superiority?

and your right about sf2t, my bad.

and what do you mean by do i know asm? you mean do I know how to program using asm? because if you are, i don't know how to program using ANYTHING.
(stupid counsler at school failed to tell me about computer science I and II)(I didn't know you could take college classes while in HS until the END of last year, THAT SUX)

and finally my bad, and i'm sorry if I seemed to insult our current "main" programers. and I know I should give them time. because honestly, I'm not sure how difficult it is to learn a program, or make one for that matter.
so to everyone out there who felt insulted, my bad

     31 December 1999, 20:34 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
O4saken1  Account Info

i think I just figured it out, AI is artificial intellegence right?

     31 December 1999, 19:23 GMT


Re: Re: Gooey 89 and GIDE Delayed by h4X0r
Reno  Account Info

are you crazy? phoenix is 1000x more fun than galaxian (I think the same author patrick made both). And you CAN see the height of the other guy's blocks in Tetris 89 or any other ztetris game for the z80 calcs. If you missed it, you must be blind, its in the same place it is in ztetris for the z80 calculators. BTW, I don't remember galaxian having a background at all (on my 86). Grayscale is nice, but I think it is better that the game is a lot more fun than a game with a lot better graphics.

I think you shouldn't complain about the current selection of games you have on your calculator. How many people can say they are playing Sonic the Hedgehog during math class (especially when that math class uses *gag* Casios and the teacher basically preaches they're the better calcs)?

     31 December 1999, 19:26 GMT

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