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TiLP Development Continues
Posted by Travis on 12 April 2010, 10:07 GMT

Although Romain Liévin has recently left the 68K calculator community and ended work on his TiLP software, development has not stopped. Lionel Debroux has taken over the original TiLP II tree and finished the first release since Romain's retirement. Highlights of this new release include added support for DirectLink USB ROM dumping (courtesy Brandon Wilson) and numerous bug fixes. Slated for the next release are GUI enhancements and improvements to Linux desktop integration, thanks to Jon Sturm.

The TiLP II 1.14, Group File Manager 1.04, and library packages are now available in the Windows Link Software and Unix Utilities sections of the ticalc.org archives and on the official TiLP website. The TiLP news page has more information about this release.

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Re: TiLP Development Continues
Kevin Ouellet Account Info
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Nice, I can't wait to see if this will eventually fully support Windows 7 x64

Reply to this comment    13 April 2010, 05:39 GMT


Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Kevin Kofler Account Info
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It already does. You just need:
* a 64-bit libusb0.sys. They can be found in some places. (But it would be useful to provide one with Romain's patch fixing it for the Nspire (and some other devices according to people on the fedora-mingw mailing list).)
* a way to bypass the signature enforcement. There are several.

Reply to this comment    13 April 2010, 14:40 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Kevin Ouellet Account Info
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By full support I meant so the user doesn't have to go through that hassle. With TI-Connect, all you do is download an additional 64 bit patch then you're done.

Reply to this comment    13 April 2010, 16:08 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Kevin Kofler Account Info
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That would require paying M$ for signing the libusb driver. It might also require fulfilling some additional requirements set by M$ which might not be met by libusb, e.g. they might require that the driver must be specific to some hardware and not leave this to userspace as libusb does.

In short: this will probably NEVER happen. You will ALWAYS have to work around the signature crap on 64-bit Window$ (Vi$ta and newer). Blame M$ for this situation, we can't do anything about it.

Reply to this comment    13 April 2010, 16:53 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
TheStorm Account Info
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Not true, I have plans to fix this in the future using an alternative to libusb that is also GPL compatible and other Linux projects have used to solve this issue, if you want more info just ask me and I can provide links but I don't feel like going through my bookmarks atm to find them.

Reply to this comment    14 April 2010, 01:19 GMT

Re: TiLP Development Continues
calcdude84se  Account Info

When will an rpm of this be released through calcforge?

Reply to this comment    13 April 2010, 21:48 GMT


Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Kevin Kofler Account Info
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Never. The CalcForge software will be packaged instead when released, with Obsoletes for upgrade path.

Reply to this comment    13 April 2010, 21:58 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Lionel Debroux Account Info
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See what Romain wrote in page #1: Kevin's moves are often about imposing his views to developers and users ;)

In the topic linked to below my name, Kevin nicely summarized this as
"je suis le mainteneur, je fais ce que je veux" (I am the maintainer, I do what I want)
when replying to me writing
"Vu qu'il y a un certain nombre de personnes qui voient l'intérêt de cette option, je ne crois pas que tu aies vraiment le choix de ne pas la garder ;)" (Given that a number of persons see this option as interesting, I don't think that you really have the choice not to keep it ;) ).

When someone (here, Kevin) has so much trouble interacting with so many people over so many years (10 years now !), it isn't the sole fault of the others... especially if most of these others don't have such problems interacting between themselves.
One of the most acute proofs of that is the much more civil tone of yAronet during the long period Kevin was banned: the straw that broke the yAronet owner's back wrt. Kevin was Kevin rejoicing about a database problem and wishing that yAronet would not come back online... Surely that was humorous and the yAronet owner has no humor, right ?

Reply to this comment    15 April 2010, 07:16 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Kevin Kofler Account Info
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Why would a CalcForge repository ship software which competes with CalcForge software? It just doesn't make sense.

We COULD ship this particular release as an interim solution, but IMHO the necessary QA is better spent on our upcoming releases.

Reply to this comment    19 April 2010, 03:03 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Lionel Debroux Account Info
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The real problem here is CalcForge competing with upstream in the first place... as a result of your unwillingness to take other persons' opinions into account, and other bits of unreasonable uncooperativeness in an open-source, cooperative project.

> We COULD ship this particular release as an interim solution
Challenge upheld.

Reply to this comment    21 April 2010, 08:41 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Kevin Kofler Account Info
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You conveniently omitted the part of the sentence where I explained why I don't plan to do this.

Reply to this comment    22 April 2010, 05:14 GMT

Re: TiLP Development Continues
Steve Randle Account Info

Will TIemu development also continue? I've been using it for a while, and it's pretty reliable.

Reply to this comment    15 April 2010, 01:55 GMT


Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Kevin Kofler Account Info
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Emu-TIGCC development definitely does continue.

The TiEmu tree at tilp.info is still there and Lionel has committed a few fixes to that (which also went into the Emu-TIGCC tree), but it looks like his priorities are focused on TiLP.

Reply to this comment    15 April 2010, 03:09 GMT


Re: Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Elkin Arbelaez Gaviria  Account Info

I want the ti-emu (ti-89/v200) in a pocket-pc or iPAD because Texas refuses to put all the commands in the ti-89

http://lpg.ticalc.org/
prj_tiemu/images/tiemu-ipaq-1.jpg

Reply to this comment    22 April 2010, 16:25 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Elkin Arbelaez Gaviria  Account Info

Texas refuses to put all the commands of the ti-89 in the TI-nspire CAS

Reply to this comment    22 April 2010, 16:27 GMT


Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: TiLP Development Continues
Elkin Arbelaez Gaviria  Account Info

port of the calculator HP48GX HP49G+ to iPHONE, iPOD and iPAD

www.mksg.de/m48plus/m48plus.html

Reply to this comment    22 April 2010, 16:41 GMT
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