It's about time! The last time they tried to revive, nothing actually happened. I still wonder why they couldn't manage to somehow revert it back to it's functional status where you could move the layout boxes around and change their colors.

Why hasn't ticalc.org removed the front page link to calc.org? They ain't exactly deserving of it.

Wow, I like coming back to familiar faces... er... names.

Hopefully this attempt to make things better will have them deserving their spot.

-W-

Hopefully yes. But until then I say delete it and re-instatate it if/when calc.org becomes good enough.

What kind of commitment are they asking for?

As the person who asked for this news item, I can tell you exactly what sort of commitment we are looking for. The main problem with part efforts to revive calc.org from what I have seen was lack of dedication. We will need people who can work productively on a fairly steady basis.

As for a little on the positions we are interested in:

- PHP/MySQL coders are required for this project, preferably those with mod_rewrite experience. Only apply if you are experienced with PHP/MySQL (i.e. if you think that your file-based templated backend is what we are looking for, think again).

- Content contibutors will be required to write articles/tutorials for calc.org. The basic gist of this is if you have an article you would like to have featured on our website, either submit the article to me or apply for our team as a more dedicated content writer.

- Organizers I would prefer to have, however, they are not necessary to completin this project because I could and likely will take on this position myself in planning the website. An organizer would organize the website's content into a new order (i.e. plan the site map and organize the program archive). The bulk of this work would be organizing the program archives.

- New XHTML and CSS coders aren't needed too bad for this project at the moment. I have much experience in XHTML and CSS coding and we also have picked up another coder with even more experience than myself.

- Graphic designers would not be required, though extremely appreciated. I would want someone to make additional graphics in the calc.org logo style. I asked who made that logo before, but apparently those who would know were not with our team a few months ago.

Feel free to ask if you have any other questions.

"The main problem with part efforts to revive calc.org from what I have seen was lack of dedication. "

This is far from correct. It was lack of access and passwords.

I would definitely agree with you that access was a problem, though there were those with access who did not use it. I myself never had access to anything aside from a staff forum until recently. Of course, you also were part of an effort even earlier than the one I joined in and the situation likely was different then too.

My preference would be to keep these news comments more geared towards getting volunteers and less on the problems of the past efforts.

I think that one critical element missing from calc.org's new new new revival attempt is a purpose. Calc.org must fashion a niche for itself, something that is not already taken. For instance, Calc.org is almost certainly not going to be able to compete with ticalc.org in terms of archive content in pure amount or organization. What it can do is have a very high-quality only archive or something more special like this.

In terms of news, calc.org will have a tough time competing with ti-news.net.

In terms of community, calc.org will probably be able to get a large following from its hosted sites. This is where *I* think calc.org could excel. No other [English] site has a good, centralized tutorial section. Instead of focusing on archives, news, or some other aspect of the site in which calc.org will be unable to compete with certain pre-existing sites (for quite some time, at any rate), I think it should focus on providing what other sites do not.

Of course, I have only pointed out one critical element missing from other sites. Indubitably, others have great suggestions as well. By interacting with its fans and community, calc.org will be able to adapt to the new TI-calculator website scene that has evolved in its absence.

I agree with you there. I have been trying really hard to get a mix of everything on my site, just so it is unique...

The one thing I think that sets my site off from the others is a compiled list of asm tutorials, compilers etc. found from the "Web Page" link. You get something like that for calc.org, it would definitely make the site more popular, and bring people back. :)

I think calc.org is the perfect opportunity to allow some unity amongst all "nerds", be they ClassPadites, RPNers or TI wizards.

For example, maybe show some objective, non-partisan problem-solving tutorials which show the steps involved in solving the same sorts of problem using each of the major calculator makes simultaneously, with screen-shots.

For a trivial example, there could be a walk-through of the statistis functions in the TI83 family, next to some demos of the HP39G statistics APPlet.

Maybe tips for helping out students who are studying in an heterogenous calculator classroom.

Comparisons of the various machines' BASIC implementation, to ease the production of programs with compatible versions for each model.

Loads of opportunities.

Would you like any HTML coders?

Currently i am learning TI basic in coordinance with Elektron9 as my teacher.

I have made a few websites using HTML and will be learning Java and PHP soon.

No. As the front page and a post I made here said, we will not be accepting new HTML help because we already have plenty of qualified help. Also, a Freewebs template website does not qualify as HTML, and the fact that I had to rewrite the URL to get it to work doesn't help either.

I helped to revive clac.org about two years ago and It was a combination of both lack of commitment and passwords and all the crap. There were around 10 people that were "helping" out, but it was only me and one other guy doing the work. That's a lot of work for two guys. And to top off it all, the guy that was heading it before never got us passwords that were vital to work on certain parts of the site.

Sadly, this all did not have to happen. One of the programmers for the website "accidentally" deleted all the files off the calc.org server. Which was ths the real reason for calc.org failing.

Hopefully this time calc.org will get some dedicated staff to fix it up and get it to where it was before.

Due to the overwhelming response from designers/XHTML coders, please do not apply for the position unless you are among the best. I'd say around 75% of the applications I have received were from designers/XHTML coders, which is disproportional. We've got plenty of help in that area now.

If I have not replied yet to your application email, please send a reminder or another email. I have tried to send a reply to all applications I have received, but I easily may have missed someone.

Devotion to a project goes much farther than being the best. Calc.org needs devotion far more than it needs geniuses.

-Samuel

I would agree. Genius is worthless unless you can do something with it. That is why I bolded the text "Do not apply if you can not be dedicated to the development of our website" on the calc.org front page.

and I am assuming that applies to ALL aspects, active or inactive

Sorry, I just don't have the time to help. I hope enough volunteers step forward to help.

I remember purchasing my TI-89 (HW1) from calc.org back in 1998. They had the best price I could find -- $130. I thought that was a great feature.