As it is now, are there any good 68k tutorials out there? I wanna learn but I can't seem to find anything....

If TI just wants to make $ on Flash-ROM progs and doesn't release to ASM info. Couldn't there be an effort to take apart the 89's ROM and try to document it some. This wouldn't be as good as TI supplied docs, but it would be an option.

I have a question, is there a periodic table for the TI-86? If so please reply and let me know!

Thanx,
DaRkBlAd3

There is, at ftp.ticalc.org/ pub/ 86/ asm/ science/ prdc86p.zip

Thanx I couldn't find it anywhere!!

I have a question:
There are already a handful of ASM games for the 89, 92 and 92+.
Where did those authors get the information?
Why can't we just talk to them about ASM information instead of bothering TI about it?

Because the information from TI will (should) be much more complete, and officially supported. The information that is currently being used to write TI-89 assembly programs has been "figured out" by the bright folks who have more time to spend hacking their computers than is probably fair. :-) There's no guarantee than an upgrade to the ROM (to fix the numeric solver, say) won't break all their code by moving things around in ROM.

Once TI documents that these routines, data tables, etc. will be at these memory locations (or at locations pointed to by those memory locations), TI will need to stick to that so that "third party" applications will still work properly. I suspect that this is a large part of the reason it's taking some time for TI to pull the information together. They should never allow themselves to change this information, so they need to make sure they have it right.

Also, if TI released the ROM, then programmers would be able to use the "applications" button, right? I mean, so far we have not seen any "applications" created - this is due to memory locations, isn't it? If TI would stop fooling around, and release the info, then programmers could really make some high level stuff...

Hello everybody,

I think it's fait that TI would send this information. 650 names is still 650, it's a great number that counts! If there were more people, the chances of getting the info would be bigger, but I know a lot of TI-owners who don't have access to Internet and not to TICALC.ORG. So realise it TI! People demand full knowledge of your products!

Everybody's sincerely,
Sebsonal

If TI doesn't release this information, then there are going to be some VERY PO'ed people out here. I'll be one of them.

If the petition doesn't work. Does anyone think that if we got the support of teachers and sent their names with position that TI would look harder into the issue. I only say this because TI has spent a lot of time and money on education and if it we have the teachers support TI might consider the issue harder.

what do teachers care if there's asm support for the calc? You can't just take a handleful of teacher's names and say, "we're teachers, give us asm info"; as far as I can tell, there's no legitimate reason as how asm support could advance education--math applications ought to be written in basic to begin with.
btw, if there are any legal experts out there, I'm curious in knowing if TI has any legal obligations to release information by a certain date, whether 6 months or 1 year after the product has been released .. or maybe never?

Hey Dux,

I think you're right what you're saying about the teachers. At my school all teachers really HATE prog's on you calc. If you're making a good one, that really works and is relevant with the subject, he's mad and doesn't want to see it's usefull. ASM, they think, is mainly used for games so, they don't want to care about it anyway. I think learning ASM is very usefull, especially for math. You'll learn to think systematic and logical, but that's only my point of view :)

Yours sincerely,
Sebsonal

Personally, my experience with teachers and programs on calcs has been good. I made a program for my 82 and 92+ that can solve any formula I've learned so far (I'm in Geometry) and showed it to my teacher. He said it was "neat". (His words, not mine). Also, he's been glad to have me in his class because I am about the only person who knows anything about the calcs or programming. As for games, he doesn't care as long as you don't play them during class. Although, our school has a no-games policy on graphing calculators (the dean says that they then become prohibited gaming devices i.e. you aren't allowed to have them, period. He's confiscated about 5 I know of so far, some 82s, 83s, 85s, and 86s. I've been told to put my "Game Gear" away before too.) Anyway, my guess is that if you told your teacher TI was not releasing information on how to write math and science assembly programs, they'd let you put their name on it. One more thing, if TI gave out the Flash ROM information, that would be great as well. Imagine developing a total, seamlessly integrated, GUI for the calc (of course it could shell to the TIOS.)

Rob Hornick
Lucid Systems

I used to have a crazy math teacher in the eiighth grade who would occasionally ask to play games on my calc. He had the wisest policy of any teacher I have ever heard of. He said, and I quote, 'You want to play games on your calculators, fine. You want to fall flat on your ass in later math classes, fine. Not my fault, you were the ones playing mario and Plain Jump. So I really don't care." Yes he did use the word ass and knew the games by name, like I said, he was crazy. He was also the best math teacher I have ever had in my life. I also liked his calculator policy, it's nothing the the one at the high school.

I would guess that teachers would be indifferent to such an issue. Maybe actively hostile, since the bottom line is that most (certainly not all) of the assembly programs are likely to be games.

I imagine TI would be under no real obligation to release the assembly language docs (or any other docs). Since they have publicly stated an intention to do so (late Winter, which technically ends tomorrow although I suspect the term winter is intended to be a fuzzy target), it would be a customer service nightmare not to do so.

Hello everyone

Me and my friends have been trying to convert an 85 limts program into and 83 format this program should be very helpful to the TI community if some one could convert it please email me for a copy of the program, just forgot its in basic