can assembly programming be done without a computer ?

i came in my mouth {'-'}

i would like to fuck you mama real hard , bitch !

666,hell

Phat! I see you're using the z pronunciation used in Canadia for the domain name :)

Well, well, well. It looks like we've got two opposing factions, fighting for survival in the notorious ASM Wars. Ah...the smell of competition...

Anarchos

Heh, hardly, we've been here awhile sitting quietly, myself programming Hybrid ( A mixed language of Asm + Basic ) to perform great tasks with simple coding. I may release a few projects soon to TI-Files.

Hrm.......................... I found a lot of HTML flaws in the page but oh well :)

yeah i did to my java script error window had to take a break after going on that page!

umm sorry i didn't use Javascript on that page. Sorry maybe it is something on your browser....

Will

what, no ti-73 support?

I agree with Anarchos. Two new ASM groups so quickly formed. At least you guys only have the 86 asm in common. I know I'll get bashed for this, but why r there no BASIC groups any more?

There's a few....I'm starting one.

BASIC Groups? How outdated. The only reason to use BASIC is for math/science programs which tend to be very class-specific or to test algorithms in a boring class. BASIC is self-explanatory, and is supported by TI. It comes with a manual. If you don't understand BASIC, good luck. No offense, but very few would expect to get respect by distributing TI-BASIC programs. How comes nobody uses Apple IIe computers? Because they are weak and slow. same thing. (I'm a little vexed, can't you tell?) (and it's not about this really, I'm just venting) (I apologize, BASIC is useful).

Geez....maybe not ALL basic groups make ONLY games ,ever think of that?What about people without graphlinks,don't they need games while they wait for their graphlinks to come?Don't be some bloody self centered,think of the less fortunate users who have to wait 3 weeks for their graphlinks to come,and have to MANUALLY type in programs.you can't do that with Asm,only basic.(I'm venting some of it.)So maybe basic's not completely dead yet.I just want to get every bit of power out of it before I finally ay good bye to it and I move on to asm.

I have to agree with you. Although ASM is much better than BASIC, there still is some life in it. The whole point of these programming alliances are to create better programs by combining the intelligence of two or more people. Creating a BASIC group would be helpful to the few of us still programming in BASIC because combining our intelligence would give BASIC new (but probably temporary) life. BTW: Has anybody given any thought to creating an assembly program that allows you to type in assembly on your calculator? Just a thought.

MAC

what's the point? so you can crash the calc and lose everything you just programmed?

I found this very moving... All very good points in there... =) Yes BASIC is only useful now for people to make their own math/science programs, but also remember its used to run shells 'n stuff like that... =P Hey well, I think BASIC groups are pointless also... Although, we dont need all these BASIC programmers who think theyre the Sh!#, and then attempt to learn ASM, because they'll be a flood of newbies... Anyways, these ASM alliances are great in everyway, and I think it wont affect competition or whatever, in any way... Its just the next step to making greater more useful programs... =P

Ummmm.....No. We've been around awhile. And there are BASIC groups out there. Well.... }-FuZeD-{ is a 'Hybrid' group. It's mine of course. You'll see some of my work soon.

the z80 programming for TI's calculators is great because it's a free work and because there are only young programmers. At the start of the PC, it was the same programmers, but because of the creations of associations, the games for the PC are now available with money and are became an professional job.
I hope that the programming for TI's calculator will not become like with the PC. Today, a novice programmer can ask some informations to a great programmer because all TI's users are friends and i hope that it will be always like it !

Sorry for my bad english,
~Caïn

These groups seem self-defeating if they dont have experienced ASM coders working within. I dont know about the Zenith group, but this one doesnt seem to have anyone who really 'knows' ASM. Course i cant really criticize, since i am very knowledgeable in z80 asm, have made games, but havent made any effort to start a group. All im saying is without experience youre going to get ASM tutorials that are bunk, and just like the other 10 billion ASM journals that have been done-- nothing but the basics, which really dont help. There must be at least 10 lessons out there that teach how to do hello world, some register manipulation.. if youre lucky, a lil pushin and poppin. oh well, theres my comments. good luck

I couldn't agree with you more completely, al. Most of these groups are all hype, insofar as they raise the hopes of the ti community, then ultimately dissolve, leaving us with a big load of crap

Actually Mr Maddox AZC or whatever it is has some of THE BEST ASM programmers around. Dux could code circles around you and he already has some 12 odd tutorials which if I do say so myself kick major arse. I'm sure his group is here to stay that in actuallity you are the one leaving us with a big load of crap.

Jeez. I'm hurt, I'd consider myself experienced Mr. Kurai. Remember? I was gonna make FFX5 till you took it away from me. I'm am the BEST hybrid programmer out there. Maybe not best asm programmer, but I'm gettin there. We are in NO WAY competeing with Zenith group or whatever.

Yeah infuzed is right we (the two coding groups) really are not in it to bash eachother and our ideas. Or have a "fight" as one so put it. Merely we are in different circles of coders that is all. For instance i know infuzed is big on IRC well i am not so that is most likly why we don't know eachother and thus have different groups of people we code with. I think that people bashing coding groups and saying that the coding groups are only going to fight, need to think again. They are not, although i will agree that some have... i feel that we (the two groups) are beyond that there is no need it only causes trouble. Well enough said i hope you all see the point to this.

I must also concur that we are not competing with each other. The purpose of forming coding groups is to make it easier to produce better quality programs. By being part of a coding group, you trust each other, and do not have to worry about sharing projects or source code. Two of you could be working on a project, then want a third member to take a look at something, so you send them the source without a second thought. You don't have to worry about someone releasing your code to everyone after you send them it.

I agree with both of the Daves. I mean we started these groups so that we could put our minds together to make intelligent and efficient code that is good for both the gamers and the programers. With the different knowledges that we have we can make each other better programers as a result.

Will

calling yourself the best hybrid programmer is an interesting claim, in fact, wtf is a 'hybrid programmer' anyways? But thats besides the point.. when i see a finished product infuzed, ill concede..

Come on. I'vehad many finshed products I never released because I just don't like bryan rabeler =) But seriously, we willhave results and I have already begun programming full fledge asm. 'Hybrid' means it is a basic/asm program. My hybrid programs do stuff like (un)protect programs, rename programs, ect.