I think everyone on ticalc.org should boycott Hasbro - (the parent company of Parker Brothers)! Perhaps, they would realize that a calculator game will not make them lose as much income as if they stop the creation of a calculator game!

Rob Hornick
CAAH
(Calculator Addicts Against Hasbro)

Gee, isn't that a little extreme? (Not that I've played a board game since I discovered I could plug myself into the 'net) Sure, I wish Kirk could continue, and maybe he and Hasbro will work out a way that he can, but they're just trying to protect a game that they've put a lot of time and money into. They're only protecting their property, as much as we wish they weren't ;)

I just want to give my 47 cents on this issue. First of all, I don't think there's any need to talk about boycotting. As was stated in another message, PB _had_ to do what they did to hold onto the copyright. And I don't think it makes any sense for a company to give up (probably) one of their biggest copyrights just so some hobbyists can have fun.
As to the many "Seattle-in-a-Box" type games, they either payed for rights or something (I don't know how that works, exactly) or they are different enough that they don't violate copyright laws. Parker Brother's didn't just give permission for those games to be made.
As to the thought of more companies taking similar action, maybe that's not such a bad thing. As scary as it sounds, maybe we Ti programmers _should_ be trying to come up with original games. I don't mean to knock it, but Mario 86 really wasn't Mario. Sure, it has the graphics, the head bouncing, and a few other similarities, but for the most part it's a different game IMHO. Nagel did talk about adding pipes that Mario can go down, but teleporters would work just as well, if the game wasn't Mario. Some games are almost exact clones, Tetris being one example, but I don't know what to suggest in that case.
(WARNING: SHAMELESS PLUG) An example of an "original" game would be my Little Dude series. Sure, everything in it is taken from other games, but I doubt it breaks any copyright laws.
Sorry about that. I've been talking too long, so I'll shut up.

You know guys, I've seen monopoly clones that are about sports teams and differnt cities, why doesn't PB go after them?

Hey, Weasel. Love your middle name. :-D
<<47 cents>>
Aha, a Star Trek fan, eh?

Anyways, I believe that other companies will become aware of the TI games, and start waving their copyrights in everyone's faces. Thus, original games are a must. Insane Game, maybe. :-D As TI calcuators become more and more like personal computers, companies will begin treating them more and more like computers. *Shudders* When commerical companies, especially Microsoft, get into calculator programs, it's doomsday. Even TI Corp with their plan of selling Flash ROM applications for money reeks.

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you people are being silly here. It would help you all to know about a little about copyright law, and why the actions taken by PB are very friendly for offering him a job at the same time, so this was not like when they forced all the calvin and hobbes sites to shut down. Do you people have any idea what PB would be loosing if monopoly became public domain? it would be like coca cola loosing its secret recepy. You have checkers, chess, and monopoly as the all time favorite board games.

<<it would be like coca cola loosing its secret recepy.>>
Nah, already happened. Buy "Big Secrets" by William Poundstone for the Coke recipe, the KFC ingredients, how to cheat on the inkblot psychology test, and much more. Also "Bigger Secrets" and "Biggest Secrets". Great reading.

Are you sure this isn't some prank email or mail. It sounds like it to me. I emailed Parker Brothers about this and they say they have no idea what I'm talking about. I'd say you leg is getting pulled by someone. There's no way they could have know about your TI-86 version, because there's versions of Monopoly on the net and for other calcs, why would they go after you?

I think PB is full of shit! It's not like Monopoly for the 86 is gonna make them lose profits. No one's gonna choose a calculator version over the real thing. Hell, most people already have monopoly. I think the CGB Monopoly offer is excellent. PB may be a bunch of assholes but they sure know how to sweeten a supoena. Go for the deal. And maybe slip in the xcellent stuff you've done with SimCommunity 2000. Maybe Maxis will offer you a deal to make a CGB game for them too. Or they may sue your ass. It all depends. But if they can make a profit from a game without ruining someone's programming career I'll bet they'll let it slide. Back to the topic. HackNin mentioned how retarded Microsoft would be to sue him for making Windows 2000 on his old Windows 2000 page and I agree. All these companies need to realize that few people have TI calculators and that those that do have one won't choose someone 2nd rate version for a calculator over the real thing (no offense to programmers). No one high school student's gonna buy a TI-86 just so they can have Windows 2000 when they can get the real Windows on a computer. Maybe they're all hung up on that "It's the principal of the matter" stuff. What a crock of sh**!! If you're going crazy over something stupid I don't care what the principal of the matter is, you're an idiot and you need to take your head out of your @$$!!! I've babbled enough for now. It's after midnight and I'm tired. Good night everybody!!

I think we should be happy that they offered kirk a job. I wish i could get one like that. Sure we lose a good game but kirk can get a kick start on his life and we should be happy for him. I think he should go for it.

I've seen a monopoly type game on the Palmpilot, called "GO TO JAIL". All the street names where changed and I guess the cards had been changed too. I didn't experience that as a problem when playing.

I'm inclined to think this is a crock to boost someone's ego. Jeez. Like PB would give a rats ass... I *WISH* I got this attention from SquareSoft about my up and coming ff7 Battler. I'd be flattered, and release it to a set amount of friends. This is CHEESE.

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now it's killing me.

I just had to say it, after so many years of classics. Anywayz, I would enjoy playing a game on color gameboy by a programmer from the ti community

uhh, check it out. PB just says he has to quit posting monopoly on the internet right? the probably is they'll never be able to keep it off the internet. they can't go searching EVERY TI site to see if they have a copy of Kirk's Monopoly game. if we all just post a copy of the game on our webpage's, we'll keep his game alive!!

i don't know if you guys want to do that, but i think i will. might go snag a copy right now before ticalc takes it off. hopefully they haven't yet.

We won't take it off until we hear from somebody official that we need to.

As for your idea, I think it's better in the long run to put the effort into tweaking the game and making it legal (doesn't sound hard to me), rather than try to aggravate Parker Brothers even further.

I sort of wonder whether this is all true, but who knows?

i think this is very lame. I for a fact have monopoly clones on my pc that are exatly the same as the real game. all of the properties and game pieces. even the graphics for the chance and community chest cards are exacly the same. i think that parker brothers sould back off and let the guy make a harmless calculaotr game because ive seen worse.

Hey, isn't there a Frogger game out for the TI-86 and other calcs? If PB is going to have the forsight to stop Monopoly, then why didn't they sue the person that developed Frogger? The Frogger license is OWNED by Hasbro. Doesn't that sound odd to you?