Re: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards
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Re: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards
I think you misunderstood... If you have to send your program to TI to have
them sign it... and then they return it to you... compare the new copy with
the original. Nothing to do with the ROM's (I don't think).
--Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: Serial <Serial@earthlink.net>
To: <assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards
>
> That would work except the 2.01 is almost half the size of the 1.00/05
> And most hex editors compare and after the first difference, everything
> below is different.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joe <joeknoll@myself.com>
> To: <assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards
>
>
> >
> > wouldn't you be able to compare the hex of both programs and find out
what
> > changed? Sure some of the jumps would have different values... but that
> > could be compensated for ...and like someone else eluded to... there's
> > always ways. Oh, yeah... and on encryption... I heard that it's all
based
> > off of primes (one reason why security companies are so interested in
> > finding bigger and bigger prime numbers -- the current one is pretty
> big...
> > it's like a 512 k txt file).
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Dial <wrath@calc.org>
> > To: <assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 12:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards
> >
> >
> > >
> > > No because you don't actually sign the apps yourself. You send them to
> > > TI to sign them and then they'll send it back to you. So you never
even
> > > see the code that you would need to sign them yourself
> > >
> > > > Mark Scott wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think the easiest way is for one person to buy this code that
allows
> > > > you to make flash apps and pass it around to everyone, therefore it
> > > > makes no diff, it got paid for, and they won't be going back in the
> > > > calcs and removing that code.
> > > >
> > > > Mark E. Scott Jr.
> > > > mscott@databasecity.com
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mark Zavislak [mailto:felix@megsinet.net]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 9:55 PM
> > > > To: assembly-89@lists.ticalc.org
> > > > Subject: A89: PR Hit -- Those bastards
> > > >
> > > > If you think about all that has happened with the unauthorized
release
> > > > of
> > > > ROM 2.01, including the bugs, assembly limitations, we must make TI
> > > > pay.
> > > > Keep in mind that all evidence is pointing to a conclusion that all
> > > > new
> > > > TI89's in production have 2.01 preinstalled. Add that to the fact
> > > > that TI
> > > > did not want the key "rogue" programmers to have it before official
> > > > release. Notice still that they have not produced any responses to
> > > > this
> > > > prerelease of 2.01 either.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, and did you notice how nice ROM 1.00 and HW 1.00 were so nice
for
> > > > programmers? And then they release HW 2.00 making it impossible to
> > > > implement greyscale. And ROM 2.01 limits the asm size to 8k. And
the
> > > > fact
> > > > that you have to pay to make even _freeware_ flash rom programs.
And
> > > > how
> > > > they keep all internal information secret even though they "support"
> > > > assembly programming.
> > > >
> > > > We now have three (realistic) options:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Hit them and hit 'em hard. Spread the word of how they treated
> > > > their
> > > > most faithful customers who reccomended the calc to all of their
> > > > friends,
> > > > only to have themselves stabbed in the back. This will be hard,
since
> > > > much
> > > > of the market (i.e., teachers, clueless students) do not care about
> > > > "nerds"
> > > > with their calculator games. Corporations don't care either, since
> > > > they
> > > > can easily handle the fee to program flash apps, and then release
them
> > > > at
> > > > inflated prices. Hope springs eternal.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Don't use the built in assembly except to implement a shell that
> > > > executes the rest of the programs, disguised as DATA files. Make
sure
> > > > that
> > > > _everyone_ uses this format, not the built in format.
> > > >
> > > > 3) Switch to HP wholeheartedly. I've been meaning to get my hands
on
> > > > one
> > > > of 'em...
> > > >
> > > > More unrealistic options:
> > > >
> > > > 3) Crack the 512-bit RSA encryption. This can be accomplished a
> > > > number of
> > > > ways, such as enlisting the help of cryptographers -- or maybe get
> > > > your
> > > > hands on some quantum computers. Or -- even easier -- get a hold of
> > > > the
> > > > private key -- it shouldn't be that hard :)
> > > >
> > > > 4) Simply hack the 2.01 ROMS -- It aint gonna happen with all those
> > > > new HW
> > > > 2.00 calcs. See how HW 2.00 *really* benefits TI? -- I agree with
> > > > the
> > > > comment about the market in "older" TI89s.
> > > >
> > > > We must let TI know that their behavior is unacceptable. They treat
> > > > the
> > > > community that ported ASM to most of their calculators and made TI
> > > > popular
> > > > like we don't exist. The unofficial release of the ROM can really
> > > > help our
> > > > case, especially if we make TI look like fools come December 21 and
> > > > full
> > > > assembly and flash rom app support is already enabled.
> > > >
> > > > There. My rant is finished.
> > > >
> > > > -Mark Zavislak
> > > > felix@megsinet.net
> > >
> > > --
> > > Scott "_Wrath_" Dial
> > > wrath@calc.org
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