Re: TI-H: Re: PIC/AVR

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Re: TI-H: Re: PIC/AVR


Don't you understand tho? A LOT of people do learn by example. If they have
other peoples projects (aside from the coolness), then they can map it out
and figure out exactly how it works. You don't just fucking say "Alright,
I'm gonna build an LCD driver with my microcontroller", unless, that is, you
are a FUCKING EE!!!!

> 
> The AVR is better, I am afraid.  First of all its RISC, so its a hell of
a
> lot easier to program.  (I am wiriting this on win95 machine, which is
also
> running linux.  its a Cyrix 6x86 166Mhz)  CISC and RISC both have
> advantages, but intel screwed up.  now, i hate the macs, the ppc, etc.
but
> not because of ther processor.  there processor is wonderful.
> 
> back the major point.  the avrs are almost all under $10.  there are ones
> at up to 20Mhz, im pretty sure.  Some have over 8K of flash program
space.
> they can access external ram as well.
> 
> and as the for the number of projhects for the PIC, some ppl dont care
> about the projects other ppl have done.  they would rather invent some
> themselves.  They may want to see how far their own brain can take them,
> rather than see if they can solder correclty all the pieces onto a board.
> 
> 
> 
> At 06:49 PM 12/1/98 PST, you wrote:
> >
> >Watch it Grant... you are becoming as ignorant as I am sometimes.
Obviously
> >you know NOTHING about the PIC. At least I admitted to not knowing
anything
> >about the AVR, instead of going around comparing prices and MIPS and
shit.
> >First, since there are a TON of PIC models, they range in price...
second,
> >if you think $7 is too much for a PIC, thats too bad. I doubt you will
be
> >buying a whole lot of them anyway, so price really isn't a concern.
PIC's
> >such as the xxF80 are 10MHz with 1K of memory. As for projects, you are
> >SERIOUSLY ignorant saying "oh wow, are we gonna see other people flash
> >lights?"... there are TONS of projects in many lists. One list I saw had
> >over 100 sites of people who make projects for their PIC, and I'll
guarantee
> >you that many of those people have worked on multiple projects. They
aren't
> >cheesy either. Most of them are VERY intriguing which is why the PIC came
to
> >my attention.
> >
> >> 
> >> >Not really... unless you want to experiment with other peoples
projects,
> >> >then the calc is the way to go to begin learning to program. It gives
a
> >> >basic understanding of how to deal with IO situations like the stack,
> >lcd
> >> >display, keys, and the i/o port. Once you understand the basics of
that,
> >> >then maybe you can move on.
> >> 
> >> It doesn't give you any understanding how to use the LCD or I/O ports!
> >It
> >> lets you use its junk.
> >> 
> >> Tell me how calling routines in ROM is learning how to use LCDs.  Not
at
> >all.
> >> 
> >> Who's projects?  Wow, lets flash a light or do some other thing thats
> >> completely pointless...
> >> 
> >> Grant
> >> 
> >> >> >I am not sure about the AVR, but the PIC has a TON of info,
inlcuding
> >> >> >premade projects (kewl ones I might add) and plans to build the
PIC
> >> >> >burner... I'd probably start out with Z80 (via a TI calc.), then
go
> >up
> >> >to
> >> >> >PIC/AVR... although I don't know much about the AVR, so shoot me
(no
> >> >flames,
> >> >> >it is the law of the list! :)...
> >> >>
> >> >> The AVR costs less an is faster than the PIC.  PIC, CISC.  33MHz -
> >> >> 8.01MIPS.  AVR, RISC.  8MHz - 8MIPS.
> >> >>
> >> >> Grant
> >> >>
> >> >> Its a ton easier to just trash the calc.  You can't learn about
> >embedded
> >> >> programming on an embedded device made for doing math...
> >> >
> >> >-dan
> >> >
> >> >You standing in line?
> >> >You believing the lies?
> >> >You bowing down to this flag?
> >> >You've Got a Bullet in Your Head.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >_______________________________________________________
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> >> 
> >
> >-dan
> >
> >You standing in line?
> >You believing the lies?
> >You bowing down to this flag?
> >You've Got a Bullet in Your Head.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> -Jonathan Kaus
> 
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> Fear is the path of the Dark Side.
> Fear leads to Anger.
> Anger leads to hate.
> Hate leads to Suffering...
> 

-dan

You standing in line?
You believing the lies?
You bowing down to this flag?
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