In a message dated 1/8/99 11:41:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, adavis@baladyne.com writes: << Sams (the publisher of computer books) has a book/software combination called "VB Starter Kit" which includes VB 4. It goes for about $30. They also have one for VC, and regular c(which includes borland TC 3 or 4...) -Adam >> does it compile? Tatsuo