Re: A86: I have an Assembly Shell question . .

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Re: A86: I have an Assembly Shell question . .


Matt is right - Rascall is more stable and has better emulation.. The
reason it crashes on you is that you use 0.9, wheras I have .96 :)  .96 has
an on feature that allows you to stop a program in the middle, change the
contrast, turn your calc off, take a screenshot... its cool.. and doesn't
crash as much as ASE.. at least 1.3..

						-Ahmed

At 04:43 PM 10/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>From my experience, the 85 emulation in Rascall is more buggy than it is in
>ASE.  At least ASE 1.0, which is what I used.  I used ASE 1.0 for a long
>time and never had any problems with it.  Rascall is supposed to have more
>complete emulation, including support for external files, but I have never
>tried that feature with either shell.  Matthew Shepcar (author of Rascall)
>told me that Rascall had better emulation than ASE, but I never had ASE
>crash, and Rascall did.
>
>You are correct about the tokenizing of basic programs.  Whenever you open a
>program up in the basic editor, it is converted back into it's text format.
>Then when you run it, it is tokenized before it is ran.  This has advantages
>and disadvantages.  Once nice thing is that if you have a syntax error, you
>will know it before the program is ran.  The bad part is if you make one
>change to a 10k program, it takes a little while to re-tokenize the entire
>program.
>
>The 85/86 OS are different from the 82/83.  The 86 (and 85 too) tokenizes
>everything when it is parsed.  The 82 (and 83 as well), however, doesn't.
>The 82 only works with tokens.  This is why on the 82 you have to use the
>basic commands from the menus and can't type them in.  The commands from the
>menus are actually the tokens displayed in their text format.  On the 86,
>you can type in basic commands, because they are tokenized in the parsing
>step.
>
>To test this, type in 1+1+1... about 200 times or something reasonably
>large.  If you run this on the 86, it will take 5-10 seconds to execute.
>However, try this on the 82 and it is almost instant.  This will verify the
>parsing and tokenizing going on with the 86.  You can also type in a
>complete basic program on the homescreen on the 86 and it will work just
>fine.  This is a very neat feature.  On the 83 (not possible to even get the
>commands to the screen on the 82, due to no catalog), you cannot.
>Interesting, huh?
>
>Ok, sorry for the rambling.   I'll go code something now...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: VasquezJara <vasquezjara@earthlink.net>
>To: assembly-86@lists.ticalc.org <assembly-86@lists.ticalc.org>
>Date: Tuesday, October 13, 1998 3:23 PM
>Subject: Re: A86: I have an Assembly Shell question . .
>
>
>>
>>I have used Rascall for a while now, and I have never had it freeze due to
>a
>>BASIC program. I think that what you are experiencing is that when you run
>a
>>BASIC program the first time that you send it, it is tokenizing (asm
>guru's,
>>did I spell that right?) it. Just as if you where running a BASIC program
>on
>>the hoome screen for the first time. I think that because you do not see
>the
>>"busy" bar when you run a BASIC program from a shell, you think the calc is
>>freezing. I cant say about the other shells, but I never run Rigel games on
>>my 86, so I cant help with that.
>>
>>Jean Vásquez
>>
>>Corey S Nickliss wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question about the shell - Rascall.  It is a fantastic shell,
>>> but every once in a while, it will freeze.  It almost freezes when you
>>> run basic programs, but you just hit the On button and it'll break the
>>> program.  But with assembly games from the TI-85, it'll freeze,
>>> especially Rigel games.  But I just love the version of Drugwars for the
>>> Rigel shell for the 85, but it'll freeze occasionally.  Does anyone know
>>> of a shell that is similar to Rascall, but won't have this very problem?
>>>
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>
>
Ahmed El-Helw
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