Ok. ill draw the diagrams tomorrow morning and post them on TGA's page (for now anyway. it is fast. i have checked. ) We will eventually have them on all the ppl who have talked about it, and i would eventually like to get my linux box runnign correclty so we can telent there, even have a list for it there. etc. if i can get it working right...... Its late. I'm going to bed. Jonathan Kaus kaus@cybrzn.com