Re: A85: Saving the 85

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Re: A85: Saving the 85


I didn't get an attatchment.

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> From: Steve Ranck <psufreak@mindless.com>
> To: assembly-85@lists.ticalc.org
> Subject: Re: A85: Saving the 85
> Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 7:55 AM
> 
> 
> I tried to take the ideas and put them into a block diagram. If you think
> anything should be changed/added/removed please let me know. The attached
> file is os.jpg. The things in gray are the things that are top priority
and
> the things in white are kind of secondary.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Butch <mjb25@hotmail.com>
> To: assembly-85@lists.ticalc.org <assembly-85@lists.ticalc.org>
> Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 9:07 PM
> Subject: Re: A85: Saving the 85
> 
> 
> >
> >I'm in.  First we need the specs so that we know what we are exactly
> >programming.  Then a block diagram so that we know the organization of
> >the OS.
> >
> >So, any ideas for the specs(besides the one's already stated below)?
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: "Steve Ranck" <psufreak@mindless.com>
> >>To: <assembly-85@lists.ticalc.org>
> >>Subject: Re: A85: Saving the 85
> >>Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:46:01 -0400
> >>Reply-To: assembly-85@lists.ticalc.org
> >>
> >>
> >>Hey, I'm with you. My main goal is exactly what the subject says.
> >Anybody
> >>else want in?
> >>Steve Ranck
> >>psufreak@mindless.com
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Kaus <kaus@cybrzn.com>
> >>To: assembly-85@lists.ticalc.org <assembly-85@lists.ticalc.org>
> >>Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 12:12 PM
> >>Subject: Re: A85: Saving the 85
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: TGaArdvark@aol.com <TGaArdvark@aol.com>
> >>>To: assembly-85@lists.ticalc.org <assembly-85@lists.ticalc.org>
> >>>Date: Wednesday, August 05, 1998 1:17 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: A85: Saving the 85
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> We need to in a way reverse ASE or Rascall (is that
> >>>>> what it's called?) and get 86 emulation for the 85.
> >>>>
> >>>>As great as this sounds in theory, it's nearly impossible.
> >>>>The TI-85 was not made to run assembly and the ROM
> >>>>calls that asm programs can use are quite limited.
> >>>>The TI-86 has a much larger number of ROM calls, in
> >>>>fact almost everything is a ROM call.  TI-85 emulation
> >>>>just required an 86 version of the ROM call table found
> >>>>in ZShell.  It can't be reversed because the great
> >>>>majority of the calls on the 86 are not available on the
> >>>>85.  You'd have to put half the ROM in the shell.  And
> >>>>even then, TI-85 programs call the ROM through
> >>>>the shell.  TI-86 programs call the ROM through the
> >>>>ROM.  You can't change ROM.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Excellent Point.  Also, other memory locations for screen locations,
> >etc,
> >>>are all wrong. some do not even exist on the 85.  The 86 has Paged
> >RAM,
> >>>which most programs for the 86 are forced to use, and therefore, it is
> >>>impossible for the 85 to even attempt an emulation.
> >>>
> >>>Furthermore, this is NOT a solution to our problem.  It only
> >encourages the
> >>>86 programmers, because they will have a larger market.
> >>>
> >>>What we need to do is create something entirely new that cannot be
> >emulated
> >>>right away on the 86, but that allows definitely good things only on
> >the
> >>85,
> >>>until someone builds an 86 version, which WILL EVENTUALLY HAPPEN.
> >But,
> >>>since IT will have originated on the 85, most of the programs for IT
> >will
> >>be
> >>>for the 85, although, when the 86 gets a port of IT, the 85 games WILL
> >>>spread there too, because they are the only games for IT.  This would
> >mean
> >>>much more recognition for us who program the initial programs, if only
> >we
> >>>can keep IT semi under wraps for a while, at least until IT is
> >finished,
> >>and
> >>>a few programs are.
> >>>
> >>>This IT i am talking about is an entirely new operating system.
> >Completley
> >>>new an almost unbased on any others.  WE will have ZShell support, and
> >>>probly Usgard too, and it will have relocation, most liklely Usgard
> >Style
> >>or
> >>>slightly enhanced for backwords compatiblity.  It will also have many
> >>>extended features that allow programs to not care about the system
> >they are
> >>>programing on.  We will have routines built in that allow easy link
> >port
> >>>communications, and definelty routines that automatically use the
> >Expander.
> >>>That will be a major point.  We can have huge programs, becuase only
> >parts
> >>>of the program that is currently being run needs to be in RAM at any
> >given
> >>>time.  The Expander can be used to do Overlays and DLLs and such, and
> >also
> >>>for holding levels of big games that are not currently being accessed.
> >>With
> >>>512K  (or more after he may put in the 1MEG!)  we could do whatever we
> >>>wnated, at the price of only some speed.  Turbo may be a recomended
> >feature
> >>>for this OS, but I'll have to get me a turbo thing and see what wil
> >happen.
> >>>True, this will limit the operating system to ppl who can buy
> >Expanders,
> >>but
> >>>it is a way through our situation.  Any of you read the "Future of
> >Assembly
> >>>Language Programming" or whatever on TI-CALC?  Well, this eliminates
> >all of
> >>>his problems pretty much.  WE can program huge programs that can do
> >>>spreadsheets and word processing and more.  Anything is possible.
> >>>
> >>>We really need this thing, and it will be a bit of work, but I think
> >we
> >>>could pull it off if we all helped each other.
> >>>
> >>>Come on guys,  what do you say?  One last grand effort to save the
> >TI-85 as
> >>>a viable programming platform?
> >>>
> >>>I say, Lets do it!!!
> >>>
> >>>Jonathan Kaus
> >>>kaus@cybrzn.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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