Maybe i should have said under 1000 bytes. That is more what i meant. That if Usgard was smaller, no one would be complaining. -mike On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:22:14 -0500, you wrote: >The smallest possible shell for usgard is 2150 bytes. So 2000 bytes isn't >that far off. PhatOS does seem to have promise to it, actually. >