Re: A85: Multi Shell programming (was Sqrxz 0.7b)
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Re: A85: Multi Shell programming (was Sqrxz 0.7b)
I think that Usgard will be the "standard" shell when everything
clears up. Is this for the best? maybe not. Usgard wins because of
(atleast partly) the popularity factor. Everyone has played Andreas's
games. Everyone has heard of Mel's Expander. And throwing in Jimmy
Mardell as a supporter doesn't hurt. But Usgard is a good shell. It
has many of the features that users (and programmers) want. If Usgard
was 2000 bytes, i don't think that anyone would have ever complained
about the shell. And there is where it's problem lies. It would be
nice if the source was released and anyone could try to find a way to
optomize the shell (while still keeping it backwards compatible, of
course). Anyone who wanted to try to make the shell better, could
try, and it would benefit everyone. Unluckily, i doubt this will
happen, but i think this is something similar to what you wanted for
PHAT OS. i think you (PHAT OS) needs a "killer app" to succeed.
Maybe Usgard just got one with Sqrxz. And for users, who make the
ultimate decision on which shell to use, this is *the* deciding
factor. They just want to play the latest and greatest games.
-mike
On Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:25:24 -0400, you wrote:
>This goes back abit but i remember when a certain program was released on
>ticalc and the author objected saying that it could only be put on ti-files
>and pages not affiliated with ticalc. I thought that was pretty annoying of
>the author to force his hate of a page on all users wishing to download the
>program. I think this whole thing about programming for only one shell (the
>one they sponsor/ or have written) is just as bad. Ever since all the zshell
>clones have come out, each has added their own features (most undocumented)
>making it impossible for something from one shell to be run on another shell.
>
> I think that we need a standard to be set, otherwise authors will need to
>continue to program in zshell4 format to keep compatiblity or write versions
>of their programs for all shells out there. (i suppose you could release the
>source code and let someone else port it for you); anyway back on track we
>need a standard to be set. until recently zshell was our standard and every
>program was written for it and it would run on any shell, but since zshell4.5
>hasn't shown yet new shells are starting to come out. It's getting obvious
>that zshell4 isn't enough anymore. We need a shell that will set the standard
>for all shell current and new to use. PhatOS started to be that, only using
>features well documented from other shells and documenting new features, but
>it seems PhatOS isn't that popular. Maybe we could get a shell to release it's
>source and then anyone could send in parts of code for the next version. (if
>anyone thought that was a good idea mail me, i'll make sure it doesn't happen
>again) Perhaps we will release the PhatOS code; because nobody else seems to
>be talking about how the internals of their shell work.
>
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>
>Mike Baker
>mbm00@hotmail.com
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