[A83] Re: DS Thread Extended onto this list
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[A83] Re: DS Thread Extended onto this list
By sending your own os, you're writing to flash you otherwise were not
supposed to do.... sounds like unlocking flash to me. And if your os
doesn't lock the flash... you've definately unlocked the flash.
brandon sterner
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Dial" <scott@scottdial.com>
To: <assembly-83@lists.ticalc.org>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 9:48 AM
Subject: [A83] Re: DS Thread Extended onto this list
> " I tried to make a long and complicated story a little shorter. Sorry
> if I
> oversimplified matters."
>
> I think you, like every other poster in that thread, lack a grasp for
> what the original email said:
>
> v1.15 os is copyrighted by TI. The license to use it does not include
> any
> rights to modify or distribute. Making available the routine to
> "unlock
> flash" may contribute to infringement by others and would not be
> viewed on
> favorably by TI.
>
> We trust that now that this has been brought to your attention you
> will
> not support or endorse copyright infringement behavior by your members
> or
> staff.
>
> Where in that statement did he even /mention/ an OS other than v1.15
> from TI?
>
> He proceeds then to quote from the forums calc83p saying:
>
> I have heard that Michael Vincent is writing his own os for the 83+. I
> was
> wondering if this was true because I would like to edit, not rewrite,
> the
> v1.15 os so that i can take out the finance app... Could you, Michael
> Vincent, help me with this?
>
> And Michael responded with:
>
> I shall. I'm just waiting until I'm done with my OS, and then it will
> be
> released.
>
> SOOOOO... you, like every reader of the email, have grossly expanded old
> Herb's objections to a "flash unlock" routine to: You can't make a new
> OS. You must understand that placing a new OS /doesn't require editing
> the old codebase/.
>
> The relevant discussion is because a circumvention of the validation is
> required (requiring no modified codebase, mind you).
>
> Also, I would like to apologize: The validation requires 3 bytes, not 2.
>
> --
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:assembly-83-bounce@lists.ticalc.org] On Behalf Of
> robvanwijk@gmx.net
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 7:09 AM
> To: assembly-83@lists.ticalc.org
> Subject: [A83] Re: Color Calculators
>
> > This is a grossly butchered version of the truth.
>
> I tried to make a long and complicated story a little shorter. Sorry if
> I
> oversimplified matters.
>
> > 1) The email TI sent us was in regards to telling the world how to
> write
> > to the flash with no modifications to the current OS.
>
> The mail from that Herb Foster guy Michael posted referred to calc83p
> suggesting a modification (taking finance out). As far as I understood
> they didn't tell (and refuse to answer when asked) what they think
> about Michael writing his own OS. Because the only way of installing
> Michael's OS is telling everybody how to circumvent the OS validation,
> the total project can't be completed, because an integral part of it is
> not possible to do.
>
> > 2) The circumvention requires no modification of any copyrighted
> > material. But does require the copying of _two bytes_ of "copyrighted"
> > data at a key location.
>
> Wasn't it the Sega system that would only run a program if it had the
> ascii-values of "SEGA" at some location? Sega lost that lawsuit, so I'd
> expect those two bytes don't matter (unless it's a digital signature of
> course, but then it wouldn't be just two bytes).
>
> > So, TI said we could go to hell if we told anyone how to circumvent
> the
> > flash protection but didn't say anything about making an OS that
> > validated properly.
>
> For an OS to validate properly, the signature has to be correct, which
> will happen in two cases: TI signs it (not gonna happen), or you forge
> it (not gonna happen and illegal). Also, Michael isn't circumventing the
> Flash protection, is he? I understood he worked around the validation.
>
> > --
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>
> Rob van Wijk
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