Re: A83: Shells on the 83+

To: assembly-83@lists.ticalc.org
Subject: Re: A83: Shells on the 83+
From: Robin Kay <kaypictures@clara.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 00:34:44 +0000
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Congratualtions to Matt Shepcar, now it's my turn :-) Here are some points about
shell fragmentation:-

  Ashell and SOS - These shells should be abandoned (You shouldn't consider it
necessary to port to these), Ion is more portable and less programs written for
these will help phase it out. --THIS IS AN OPINION--
  Ion 83 and Ion 83+ - Most programs written for one run without modification to
the src for the other. Only in some cases are there problems.
  TSE - For the 83+ and new/non-Ion compatible so only a smaller number of
people using it if any (don't know, not written yet!). Not neccessary to port to
it either. The majority of programs will apear for Ion for a long time, it's not
as if TSE will detract from mainstream programs appearing. I can probably port a
lot of stuff anyway if it became an issue.

--Robin Kay--

P.S: I only use VTI for programming as well, though I do use it ocassionally
(for Maths) my main reason for getting it was for the ROM image. So, If you
don't have an 83 where did you get your 83 ROM from? Hmmmmm....

P.P.S: So I don't need a shell to help me when the calc locks up either, but I
would still consider it a valuable feature for those who do run it on their
calculators.

Harper Maddox wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robin Kay <kaypictures@clara.net>
> To: <assembly-83@lists.ticalc.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 10:58 AM
> Subject: Re: A83: Shells on the 83+
>
> >
> > I am not suggesting a windowing system like Prosit, mearly a task
> switcher.
> > A well written multitasking routine would not lock up your calculator, and
> > could even provide a degree of crash protection for errors such as
> infinite
> > loops, etc. I don't get your point, how would my system waste 9.5kb of
> > memory? It would take up a few more bytes for the key index table but I
> > would have advantages such as if your upgraded your copy of the game you
> > would keep the map, and you could archive the map or trade it seperate of
> > the game. You obviously didn't get --my-- point, I care whether you
> consider
> > it "cool" enough. I want to see if it can be done, that is my interest in
> > programming. Not slaving away at a game that I wont have much time to play
> > anyway.
> >
> > --Robin Kay--
>
> If you are doing it just to see if it can be done, then Matt Shepcar already
> did it with Rascall for the 86.
>
> Perhaps the reason that I am angry stems from the fact that I dont want the
> 83 to become as inflated as the 85 with shells.  Its annoying enough now,
> for an 83 release to require you to port the game to Ashell, SOS, Ion 83,
> and Ion 83+.
>
> And a little background on why I program.  I dont have an 83, I never did.
> I have a Ti82 with a broken linkport and a Ti92, which i bought 3 years ago
> for calculus.  I program using VTI, and solely programmed on emulators
> before VTI came about, in the days of Randy Gluvna's Ti8xemu (approx 2 years
> ago).  Therefore, i never play the game on a calculator and dont need a
> shell to help me when the calculator locks up.
>
> -harper