If Harper Maddox is still on the list, I know he's the master at converting over Movax sprite routines for various sizes. :) Look at his zelda code...he uses a modified version there I think. Thanks for the other mail too - none of us will think you're dorky -- remember the rest of us do the exact same thing :)...hey, and anyone who quotes Monty Python can't be THAT bad? :) Later, James.