Re: A83: ideas and stuff

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Re: A83: ideas and stuff


As a programmer it really is a HASSLE to port games to two different shells
on the same calculator.  Perhaps because i still use Ashell.  If more shells
arrive then they will STEAL valuable time that programmers have for making
new games, in order to port a game to 3 different shells.

My solution to the problem:  COOPERATION instead of competition

also, you dont have to write a four page message to make your point, Rob.

-Harper Maddox

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Caldwell <rc_ware@hotmail.com>
To: assembly-83@lists.ticalc.org <assembly-83@lists.ticalc.org>
Cc: assembly-92@lists.ticalc.org <assembly-92@lists.ticalc.org>
Date: Monday, June 08, 1998 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: A83: ideas and stuff

>Now I'm getting kind of ticked...just a little.  I specifically said
>"assembler" not compiler, there's a difference.  An assembler I always
>thought of was something that changes word to byte, word to byte, and it
>was always 1 to 1 direct translation.  Compiling is something that
>stores all labels and crap first, then starts to assemble.  I wanted to
>see something simple as an assembler at first, then later have it
>upgraded to a compiler, and maybe even a translator.
>
>About the 1 star thing...in your opinion it maybe a sucky 1 star
>program, but in my opinion it might be a 3 or 4.  My opinion may go the
>other way too, if you think something is great and 5 star, I may think
>you're stupid and it should be a 1 star or not even on the charts.
>
>I got kind of ticked because you answered with "that's what he
>means"...I CAN ANSWER FOR MYSELF...I'm not some baby that can't type.
>
>About the splitting apart the .zip...most contracts say "this .zip isn't
>to be split up from it's original files"...well if you just COPY the
>.txt inside, you aren't splitting the .zip up, you're just showing to
>the "audience" what's inside the .zip.  There are always ways around a
>contract or license agreement, or even the every day packets--as my dad
>got $1,000 benefits from finding a loophole in the homeowners-self
>employed documents.  PLUS, who's going to sue ticalc.org for anything
>they do to their FREE files?  Who's going to waist their money to bring
>a FREE file up in court?  (I would say stupid dorks who think they can
>bum money off of people just by taking them to court--it's the coffee
>incident all over again).
>
>About the numerous shells.  I think it's great that someone out there is
>understanding how a calculator works.  I say keep on making the shells,
>and if those people making games want to so-called "port" them, fine,
>it'll give you some experience too.  You say there shouldn't be so many
>shells, yet people keep upgrading.  You say "there are only about 2
>browsers, and web-pagers want them to look good on both" yet those 2
>browsers have so many upgrades to them, it's like having 100 browsers.
>Let's take programming languages as an example instead (since shells are
>assembly programmed and that's a language and THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING
>ABOUT).  There's basic, c, c++, vbasic, vc++, asm, and many more.  Well,
>why do we need all of these languages, why not make one that has the
>ability to work all the way down to machine language, translates,
>debugs, easy to use and handle, very upgradeable, and compiles.
>Seriously who here would like to see 1 program that does everything that
>the other languages could do but better?  If they took all those other
>languages off the market, I wouldn't want it.  I like having many ways
>to program a game.  I like to be able to port my games, and seeing the
>speed difference between the languages.  I wouldn't want to be stuck
>with only 1 language.  Variety is the word I'm looking for here.  Basic
>has it's easy to use interface, while c and c++ has it's speed.  Maybe
>there's a shell that possibly is easy to use, while another has it's
>speed.  At least people are doing something instead of sitting on their
>butts.  It gives us something to do.  And if the programmer sees a new
>shell, then it's their choice to port their programs, if the shell
>receives no attention then that shell should be taken off.  I have
>tried, and I am still trying to learn how the calculator works.  I can't
>get my romdump to work, so I'm trying to do it using hexdump or
>whatever, but my cord doesn't work.  This frustrated me to the point in
>typing this massive e-mail.  I want to learn all of the calculaors, and
>then I could make a shell for each calculator that is translated across
>calculators, and the porting of games isn't thought of anymore.  I've
>got some designs done so that each calculator will support the same
>things.  I've heard that 1 of the calculators don't do some of the ASM
>that others do, so I'm planning on placing that inside the shell.
>
>How does that sound?
>
>-Rob
>
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