>ok people, you're all wrong. those addresses all work, but you should use: >http://defiance.adamman.nws.net/ >there's an announcement on the top of the page, and in the news a while back. > >~Adamman Yeah sure, it's all the same site, and I still can't download the demo. Please put it in a zip, thank you. Sam ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com