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Choice Votes   Percent
Casio 5 3.3%   
Hewlett-Packard 12 7.9%   
Texas Instruments 134 88.7%   

Survey posted 2003-04-05 01:22 by Henrik.

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Re: Who makes the best calculators?
taydawg2003

These surveys are pretty nice, but when i saw the results i was shocked. (not really) Talk about a landslide (of 9 votes). I wanted to vote over and over on casio for fun to see how people might reply, but i can only vote once...

My vote is TI all the way!

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 02:12 GMT

Re: Re: Who makes the best calculators?
angelboy Account Info
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Go TI!!

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 03:19 GMT


Re: Re: Who makes the best calculators?
no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Well, DON'T! If you think TI is the best, then vote for TI! I hate it when people vote for something when they really think something else.

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 19:38 GMT


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JcN  Account Info

BTW, who voted for Hp and Casio?

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 23:42 GMT


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TheCalcGenius  Account Info

idiotic people who now realize their mistake and want to apologize!

ok, so it's far from true, but it'd be nice for a unanimous vote!

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 02:37 GMT


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angelboy Account Info
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There was an unanimous vote once a few surveys back. But then again, there was only one thing to vote for. lol

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 03:27 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Yeah, that was kind of odd :)

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 18:41 GMT

Re: Who makes the best calculators?
William Heaton  Account Info

while of course i voted for ti, but i do have to say that HP makes great calcs too. They take a while to get used to but RPN is nice, and best of all, no one knows what the numbers mean so they dont know to not allow it.

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 03:24 GMT


Re: Re: Who makes the best calculators?
molybdenum  Account Info

RPN is great when the screen can display the whole stack, and you don't want to type much. There was a palm version that utterly sucked, with a stack that went on infinetly, so the last item did not fill the next space, if you know what I mean.

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 03:39 GMT

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William Heaton  Account Info

yes, that is what hp does, though you may be able to turn that setting off, though you can also set it to non rpn mode

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 03:46 GMT

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William Heaton  Account Info

also, hp can handle huge numbers, if i remember right, it will give you every digit in 500! and some how they are faster at math than 89 even processor is much slower.

but still i say TI ROCKS!!!!!

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 03:52 GMT

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j w

TI-89 is faster with 3D graphing.

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 05:14 GMT

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angelboy Account Info
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But with the app, isn't TI 83+ faster than both at 3D graphing?

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 05:20 GMT

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j w Account Info

Oh man! That flash app is so awsome! It is lightning fast. It only takes 4 seconds to calculate a graph! That is a fast 3D grapher. It's called Graph^3 for you people that don't know.

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 05:32 GMT

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William Heaton  Account Info

83+ probably is faster due to lower resolution?

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 05:44 GMT


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Drantin  Account Info

I asked the same thing when the news article for it came up here... The author of the program stated that it would still be faster if the 89 used the same type of algorithms (not precisely what he said, but I'm to lazy to look up the actual post...)

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 06:44 GMT


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angelboy Account Info
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It's because Graph^3 was made by Detached Solutions, but the 89 grapher is made by TI Programmers who don't know how to program.

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 18:27 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Reasons:
The TI-89 version was written in C.
The TI-89 has a bigger resolution (though, back at that article, I remember him saying that wasn't the reason)
The TI-89 version wasn't written as efficiently
[more...]

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 19:56 GMT


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BlackThunder  Account Info
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I remember someone saying TI-83+ SE had a 2.3 times faster processor.

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 04:05 GMT

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Chickendude  Account Info
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That has nothing to do with it, though, cause it doesn't use the extra speed, or I dont think so at least... I think the main reason is the efficiency of the code :)

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 04:24 GMT


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AndySoft  Account Info

Yes, it does use that extra speed. Here's a test:

1) Get an 83+ and an 83+SE side-by-side.
2) Press ON on each.
3) Press Y= on each.
4) Enter X for Y1 on each.
5) Simultaneously press GRAPH on each.
6) Note that the 83+SE gets done about twice as fast as the 83+.

I did this once w/ my 83+ and my teacher's 83+SE w/ viewport...

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 17:26 GMT


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angelboy Account Info
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But then as a twist, type in 1 for the first y=, 2 for the second, and repeat as necessary on the 83+ and SE. Then on the 83+, but the XRes to 8, and press graph on both. The 83+ is a lot faster than the SE. I did that to my friend, and he couldn't figure out why my calc was faster than his SE. lol

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 17:52 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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LOL :) What's Xres? The 82 doesn't have it so I can't check it out. :( res stands for resolution in this case, right?

[I want my TI-89 back]

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 18:44 GMT


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j w Account Info

It's the accuracy that the calculator graphs to. It graphs to every X pixel where X is the Xres setting.

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 20:38 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Ooooh... I'll remember that so I can try that graphing trick ;-)

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 22:54 GMT

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angelboy Account Info
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TI advertises<sp?> 2.5 times faster

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 15:42 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Than Graph^3? Nah...

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 18:44 GMT


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j w Account Info

Not quite 2.3 times but it is faster. That doesn't matter though because I tested Graph^3 on a normal TI-83plus.

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 20:37 GMT


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Jason MacDonald  Account Info

Oh yeah, TI-89 ROCKS!!! Get one if you dont!!! ^.^

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 07:50 GMT

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Chickendude  Account Info
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...if you don't *have one*!!!

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 15:14 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Or steal it back from the idiot who took it from you. :)

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 18:45 GMT


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j w Account Info

I said TI-83plus is faster than TI-89 at 3D graphing with the application, not the other way around!

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 20:39 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Yes, they had a big discussion on the comparison of the speeds when Graph^3 came out.

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 19:55 GMT


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jrock7286  Account Info

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!! HP is MUCH faster with 3D graphing...or at least the 49g is...I still like the 98-IT (no_one_ said to say it like that :) ) though. Better user interface and there's a "home" button...HP you have to hit ON like 4 times to get back to the home screen....GO TI!!!

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 21:01 GMT


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j w Account Info

No it isn't. I saw an article comparing the TI-89 with the 49g or whatever and it said that TI-89 is faster at 3D graphing

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 05:57 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Has anyone ever tested it? Doesn't slimey_limey have an hp-49g? *idea* Do HP calcs have an emulator?... but then again, the emulator speed could be off.

[I want my 98-IT back]

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 18:47 GMT


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j w Account Info

Shut up about that! "I wan't my TI-89 back, boohoo!"

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 20:41 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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But I want it back

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 22:57 GMT

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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I think the TI-89 can handle huge factorials.

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 19:51 GMT


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jrock7286  Account Info

the HP can do large factorials faster than the 89...200! is done like TWICE as quick. The wierd thing is, that 5! takes longer on the HP...like 1.5 seconds!

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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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That's odd :) The 98-IT (lol) always slows down whenever 200! or something like that is entered into the home screen when displaying another answer.

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 18:48 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I think the TI-89 can handle huge factorials. (Well, I know it does 100!) Yeah, it writes all the digits for up to 299!, and then, around 500!, it writes either 500! or just infinity.

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 19:54 GMT


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nyall Account Info
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Doing 299! will take 14 seconds to calculate and display on the ti89. The 49g can do it in 3 secondes.

Doing 299! in the hail expression writer will take less than two seconds. Sorry for the plug :)

The hp49g is capable of doing 9999!, but it takes a really long time.

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 20:04 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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Why would anybody want to? :) And what's the hail expression and how is that a plug? (Did you make some program that writes it in this "hail" expression?)

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 18:50 GMT

Re: Re: Re: Who makes the best calculators?
JcN  Account Info

What is Reverse Polish Notation, anyway?

Reply to this comment    5 April 2003, 23:44 GMT


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yahoolian

Normal: (first symbol) operator (second symbol), e.g. 3 + 4 * 2
RPN (reverse polish notation): 4 2 * 3 +

It simplifies the hardware because all the hardware does is whenever it sees a number it adds the number to the stack (define stack in the sense of a stack of cards), and whenever it sees an operator it takes two numbers off the stack, does the operation and puts the result on the stack.

With RPN there is no need to scan the whole equation to preserve order of operations such as multiply coming before addition, and there a way to write any expression in RPN without parentheses.

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 07:28 GMT


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j w Account Info

What is RPN and a Stack anyway?

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 05:54 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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I know what the stack is (in terms of z80 programming), but not the RPN.

The stack is a... well, "stack" of values in the memory that are accessed in a "put one on the top" "take one off the top" (PUSH/POP) fashion. I'd assume here, they mean to use the stack to simplify/solve equations.

[I want my 98-IT back]

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 18:52 GMT


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j w Account Info

Well if that is what it means by stack then I already knew that. I'm learning assembly right now.

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 20:43 GMT


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no_one_2000_  Account Info
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For the z80?
A few posts ahead it says RPN=Reverse Polish Notation, and it gives and example

Reply to this comment    6 April 2003, 22:58 GMT

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